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  • #4122
    lynng
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    NAP hinted at something that put me onto a trail about defense mechanisms in another post, and I got this info I thought I’d share because they rang so true it stung. Maybe someone else will recognize these behaviors in their SA/NARC

    http://guiltedgirls.tripod.com/id8.html

    All of us idealize. We carry residues of idealization into adulthood and often idealize our significant others on whom we depend emotionally. It is a normal and necessary aspect of mature love. The tendency over time to de-idealize those on whom we depend is also a normal component of development of individuation and mature love. In its mature form, it allows one to appreciate others for the reality of who they are; imperfect humans who are special to them in spite of their flaws. It allows one to share and identify with others based on the acceptance of our own imperfect humanity.

    When we see persons who live life seeking to rank others or objects according to comparative value in contrast to flawed or defective others, and there appears to be a search for perfection both through merger with the idealized objects/persons and/or with efforts to perfect the self, the individuals are considered to be narcissistic. While there are other characteristics of narcissistic personality traits/disorder, their dependence on the defense of idealization is one of the more obvious characteristics. (Other familiar aspects of narcissism that follow from use of this defense are: seeking of fame, notority, or popularity, constant reassurance of one’s importance to others, the desire to associate only with individuals who are recognized as being highly important, exceptionally attractive, extremely intelligent, or ‘special’ in some publically recognized fashion, their need for recognition of their own often contrived superiorority or expertise, and their propensity to deprive others of any such recognition or reassurance, as if they are the only ones worthy of such deference.) The idea that one must perfect the self rather than accept what one is, in order to love it, results from over-reliance on the use of idealization as a defense.
    ted outcome of the need to idealize. What goes up on the pedastal must come down, or be knocked down if any flaws are perceived. And the more the object was idealized, the more radical the devaluation to which it will eventually lead. A typical example of this kind of behavior is in the partner who worships his/her lover, only to wake up one day and feel nothing for him/her once their lack of perfection is noted. Another example would be the partner who believes that the significant other should meet his/her needs, caretake and nurture, with no reciprocation. (This particular form of devaluation where the other is exploited by the narcissist, leads to failed relationships due to the inevitable resentment by the marginalized partner, who has been exploited and devalued. This ultimate disatisfaction with the narcissist by the devalued partner, is often experienced by the narcissist, who feels entitled to preferential treatment, as being devalued himself/herself which leads to rage, rather than seen as the natural consequence of the narcissist’s exploitation of the other, ie; devaluation. It has been observed clinically, that narcissists do not learn from failed relationships but continue to seek a partner who will recognize their superiority and provide them with what they feel entitled to.)

    #24809
    diane
    Participant

    Well that was a chilling piece.
    I think I lived a lot of that.
    I hope it didn’t rub off.
    D.

    #24810
    kmf
    Member

    “significant other should meet his/her needs, caretake and nurture with no reciprocation.” F–k that. And BINGO for mine on the- they feel rage at being devalued rather than seeing it as a the natural consequence of their exploitation of the partner. Good grief, these guys are hopeless. karen xx

    #24811
    march
    Participant

    Check, and check.

    #24812
    lynng
    Participant

    I think these lines are most applicable to my SAH:

    Constant reassurance of one’s importance to others, the desire to associate only with individuals who are recognized as being highly important, exceptionally attractive, extremely intelligent, or ‘special’ in some publically recognized fashion, their need for recognition of their own often contrived superiorority or expertise,
    It has been observed clinically, that narcissists do not learn from failed relationships but continue to seek a partner who will recognize their superiority and provide them with what they feel entitled to.

    #24813
    pam-c
    Participant

    Dear Lynn

    I would say that living with a Narc / addict, is living with the mentally ill. They cannot reciprocate love, because they are far too selfish. Great insight btw, about idealizing partners and Narc PD traits.

    I like the part that says they will not learn from failed relationships. doing so would require an accurate self inventory and accountability. They would disappear. There would be nothing left to them if they did that. So, they seek their next body to live off, like the parasites they are. Until that body is dead or bone dry as well. always looking for the next meal

    #24814
    kmf
    Member

    Well Pam…that is a chilling description. I think that all personality disordered individuals are parasitic in one way or another. I guess manipulation and deception are the tools of their trade…..that and the fact that they are incapable of learning from their mistakes. I guess that makes sense. In order to learn from a mistake you have to OWN the mistake as yours? It seems all they learn is to blame and deflect. Oh sigh…..

    #24815
    lynng
    Participant

    Yes, but the Codependent thing gives them complete support in the blame and deflect arena. I’ve already encountered the “you have to accept your responsibility for the breakdown in communication in the relationship” line repeatedly. The psychiatrist on the AC show said that to me after less than 5 seconds of sitting beside me. Publically diagnosed me with a knee jerk diagnosis that is a SA/NARC’s dream.

    I will not accept responsibility for that. I WAS communicating, but it was a farce because the vast majority of what I was communicating about was a mirage built on lies. Lies told, according to H, because he was too afraid of my anger if he told the truth. Now these behaviors he can’t tell the truth about preceeded his even meeting me. How is that my fault? Who wouldn’t be angry at his behavior? I see that as a completely justifiable and healthy response. But there it is, his new line of defense, “I couldn’t tell the truth because you communicate in anger.”

    #24816
    march
    Participant

    Can we get that psychiatrist’s address?

    #24817
    lynng
    Participant

    It’s probably available through Anderson Cooper. She’ll be the one on my right on the show, when it airs.

    #24818
    liza
    Participant

    Oh God, Lynn, how the HELL did you NOT the throttle her on the spot. If you ‘communicated in anger’, she’d be DEAD right now.

    #24819
    lynng
    Participant

    LOL

    #24820
    anniem
    Member

    That psychiatrist is pissing me the hell off. Apparently nobody told her that these SAs have never known how to be genuine or how to communicate in the first place. Did she get her degree in Idiocy?

    #24821
    bonnieb
    Participant

    Reading Lynns post is making my blood boil!! A normal, reasonable, healthy reaction to someone elses lies and abuse ends up being blamed as if it contributed, sustained or caused the abuse. Our response is not the cause!
    This sort of crap analysis makes me feel very discouraged, even afraid of couples counselling. Ugh.

    #24822
    lexie
    Participant

    omg!!! where do they get these people??? I can’t even remember how many times I poured my heart out to my husband, and other times, when I begged him to tell me what was going on.

    brick wall.

    it takes TWO people to communicate and it is ENTIRELY possible that one is trying and the other one is doing nothing.

    That is not to say, that I did it all of the time, or that I was perfect. But, there was nothing that I did or didn’t do that would’ve caused him to do what he did.

    He was this way, long before I had met him.

    He would’ve done the same exact thing TO any OTHER WOMAN. It is all about him and his utter lack of self that he needs to see reflected in another woman’s eyes.

    That is the point!!!!!!!!!!!!

    grrrrrrrrrrrrr…

    #24823
    march
    Participant

    How do you communicate with a liar?

    #24824
    lexie
    Participant

    no communication… oh, yeah… but then, we will be accused of “not communicating” and part of the REASON that there’s been a “break down” in the relationship.

    I say…

    RUNNNNNNNNNNNNN……………………….

    #24825
    anniem
    Member

    Can we bombard that psychiatrist with emails?

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