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September 27, 2013 at 10:58 pm #8380artemisMember
i just got back from a weeklong trip to Maui last night with my SABF, his mom & her husband. i am truthfully a little shocked. i expected him to fail this one. instead he passed with flying colors. i did not catch him eyefucking or being inappropriate throughout our trip. even when we went ziplining & there were a couple of very scantily clad 21 year olds climbing trees and swinging through the forest with us. i definitely did my best to act normal and not seem like i was watching, and be friendly to these two young women as i would be to anyone, but he did not seem to be overly staring or inappropriately engaging with them. even when the blond’s right boob was popping out for the last couple ziplines. um. what gives? i even took him to a nude beach yesterday (because i thought F your stuff, i want to be able to live my life without worrying about that and this is what i would do under normal circumstances because it feels good) and he seemed totally fine, as far as i could tell. we didn’t stay that long at the nude beach, because it was almost time to head to the airport, but he wasn’t staring at other naked women, he was focused on me, affectionate, playful, we hung out and had a good time…
btw, i don’t mean everything between us was perfect the whole trip, but from what i could tell there were no obvious “SA” type behaviors. we had a really good time overall.
now i am really extra confused. has he just gotten a LOT better at hiding his behavior? it’s hard to believe he could pull it off for a week straight. this is the guy that i’ve said “do you want me to get her number for you?” to on several occasions in the past. he has always been pretty slick on hiding the actual screwing around but not so much on the looking stuff. i am really trying to go with trusting my gut here and my gut tells me that there will be other signs coming soon – increased moodiness/irritability/distancing/sabotaging the relationship etc – if he is dealing with some stuff around this and starts projecting it on to me (that’s the usual pattern). i’ll keep paying attention.
in dialogue with my therapist, i have given it roughly until the end of 2013 to see how things go between us and whether there really seems to be potential for true growth. more and more i am sadly not sure, even if he is “sober”, whether this can be sustainable. i don’t know if i believe it is possible to have a really good relationship with an SA, at least with my SABF, because a good relationship = a good friendship, and a good friendship means you can trust each other and be open & vulnerable with each other. neither of us can really do that. him, because his entire being has been crafted on secrecy, silence, space and keeping people at arms length, and me because he doesn’t really have emotional capacity to key into, understand, or empathize with me. i know this may seem really obvious to more experienced sisters but more than a year into “sobriety” i see more and more clearly that narcissism is way more pervasive and destructive to a relationship than anything that can be managed by keeping your dick in your pants.September 27, 2013 at 11:02 pm #111246sickoftryingParticipantNope just learning how to hide it better.
September 27, 2013 at 11:08 pm #111247teriParticipantArtemis, I am glad you survived your trip!
Seriously, a dog can be trained not to look. So while that’s nice he isn’t eyefucking women around you anymore, that is really all you know- that he is not eyefucking women around you. The rest- who knows? And I don’t know of anything that fixes narcissism.
Artemis, you will find your way in your own time. Just don’t have kids with him. That’s my two cents.
September 27, 2013 at 11:36 pm #111248katfParticipantArtemis I don’t know if this will be helpful but right after my STBXH and I got married this June we took a trip to the east coast with his Mom and the kids (he has two) for his Grandmother’s memorial. Obviously it was a sad thing but in the midst of that we went to the Smithsonian and did all sorts of fun things etc. He was very focused on me.
A month later we find out I’m pregnant and then go on a camping trip with friends. He was the biggest jerk and it was really confusing to me because he was always so excited about getting me pregnant so I thought it should have been a happy trip. Came back that Sunday…found out he’d been cheating for at least a year and a half on Monday. He was getting naked pictures and chatting and as far as I know meeting NSA partners in the area. What’s my point?
I think travel with you brings them out of their habitual bullshit for a minute. Not cures them or anything…..maybe distracts them for five minutes?
So at least for mine it wasn’t a sign of changed behavior.
Teri’s right. DON’T HAVE KIDS WITH HIM!!!! I didn’t know mine was cheating and we tried for 5 months to get pregnant before he knocked me up. Found out a week later about the cheating. Lot’s of us here have found out in the middle of being pregnant or found out later that their activities increased during that time. And it makes it sooooo much harder to get a clean break or have a new start.
September 27, 2013 at 11:43 pm #111249katfParticipantArtemis I know you’ll find your way. How could the greek goddess of the hunt not? If you haven’t been to chumplady yet you should. Sometimes she just has a way of putting things into words that are exactly what we already knew…but didn’t know we knew. Reading the comments is helpful too as a lot of them have great insights as well.
September 27, 2013 at 11:45 pm #111250kimberelyMemberHe cheated on you and y’all aren’t even married?
You should’ve run.
Cheating while dating=marriage hell
September 27, 2013 at 11:52 pm #111251sickoftryingParticipantKat I remember a trip we went on about a year after undeniable D day. We went Easter weekend. As soon as we got back he had to leave to go get 2 x 4s for a concrete pad he was going to put down the next week. My gut was telling me nope don’t believe him. Do u know 6 years later the pad is still not down.
September 27, 2013 at 11:53 pm #111252katfParticipantI agree. Had I known he was a cheater I would have never married him or gotten pregnant.
September 28, 2013 at 12:25 am #111253972MemberI’ve been married 21 years and dated 3 before that. My H NEVER eye fucked anyone in my presence. I have been on so many trips and vacations and dates and etc…
It is NO indication that he is normal by any stretch of the imagination. My H was PERFECT in my presence.
I wish so badly that I had known any of this before I was married or before I had kids. I feel guilty because that sounds like I am saying I don’t want my kids. But it is the truth. No marriage, no kids = RUN ( just my opinion).
September 28, 2013 at 1:50 am #111254artemisMemberThanks sisters for sharing your experiences. Teri – yes, so true, and a dog he is. One thing i am clear about: SOS sisters have been really consistent about the warning not to have kids with an SA, ever since i joined this site. i appreciate that insight and am taking that very seriously. to be honest, i am not sure having kids is something i want to do anyway, so at the moment this is a non-issue. Deleted User = Kat?- sorry i cannot see your name for some reason, just your lovely face 🙂 – thanks for sharing your story. yuck. i am so sorry for what you are going through right now, and i see and honor your strength in all of this. the breaking out of habitual bullshit thing is a really good point. thanks for the reminder about chumplady, i will head on over to visit her.
September 28, 2013 at 2:49 am #111255kmfMemberHi Artemis,
You know what I think sweetheart so …A pathological liar is one because they are good at deception. His lack of eye f–king means nothing except he has honed his deception skills because you are fighting back harder. Go slowly. It is your life we are talking about. Hugs Karen
September 29, 2013 at 6:49 am #111256francineParticipantBe strong, trust your gut and don’t forget you deserve the best.
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