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  • #43264
    kmf
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    Memories are stored with a corresponding emotion attached to the memory. That is why some memories are crystal clear and others are foggy. For example….if you went on a date with someone you really liked…you might remember what shirt he wore or what you ate…even though it was 20 years ago? When you try to remember what you wore on Friday a month ago you have no idea? The more emotion attached to the memory (either positive or negative) the more clearly you recall the details. EMDR works by allowing the brain to process the memory in a way that the emotion surrounding it is released. Somehow the rapid eye movements allow the brain to process memories much faster than talk therapy can. The eye movements must somehow open up pathways in the brain involved with memory storage. Thats my understanding fo it and I plan to get EMDR as soon as I am settled long enough to do it. I found a therapist at home and I will see her when I go back. She performs it within an established therapeutic relationship only. She says it can bring forward all sorts of things. Karen xx

    #43265
    kmf
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    So end goal is to retain the memory without the intense emotions attached to it. Thats my understanding and sounds good to me.

    #43266
    nap
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    I think March may be certified in EMDR and maybe she will tell us how it works too. I’m looking into it also. I need it pretty badly.

    #43267
    diane
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    Good explanation Karen. I tried it once and it had no effect. I don’t know why my therapist never tried it again.

    “you aren’t going to kill us, are you?” Deb, that’s is really serious. How can a child live in a home where this is even a possibility in his mind? I’m nearly sick over this. Do they have counselling support? Do you have a boundary about their well-being in your decision to remain with your Sa/compulsive husband? Why would any son need to ask that of his father?

    #43268
    march
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    I was a patient of EMDR and now I am training in it. I am allowed to practice currently, under supervision. Part II of my training is in October. EMDR helped me move past my childhood sexual abuse, issues surrounding being raised by an alcoholic narcissist, and domestic violence I experienced. It has helped some with the SA shituation, but I haven’t done enough of it. It seems odd to try to heal from something while you are STILL enduring it. I will resume it, though, as this IS coming to an end. During my training, the specialist I worked with pretty much demanded I re-do my childhood stuff, and–sure enough–it brought me right back to SA, to the fact that I have not managed to recover my sense of self-worth, value as a woman and a human being–and THAT is why I’ve stayed in this house with this man. Don’t I deserve better? Am I not worthy of real, painless love? Well, yes. Yes I am.

    #43269
    nap
    Participant

    You sure are March, worth it and MORE! How does EMDR work in the brain to help with trauma? I’m looking for someone in my area to help me, just curious how it works.
    Thanks, Nap

    #43270
    march
    Participant

    This is the explanation of the theory from Francine Shapiro’s website. She’s the person who discovered the benefits of bilateral stimulation for trauma relief.

    Theory
    Shapiro developed an information processing theory1,2,3 to explain and predict the treatment effects seen with EMDR therapy. This theoretical model also describes the development of personality, psychological problems and mental disorders. The following is a simplified description of Shapiro’s theory.

    All humans are understood to have a physiologically-based information processing system. This can be compared to other body systems, such as digestion in which the body extracts nutrients for health and survival. The information processing system processes the multiple elements of our experiences and stores memories in an accessible and useful form. Memories are linked in networks that contain related thoughts, images, emotions, and sensations. Learning occurs when new associations are forged with material already stored in memory.

    When a traumatic or very negative event occurs, information processing may be incomplete, perhaps because strong negative feelings or dissociation interfere with information processing. This prevents the forging of connections with more adaptive information that is held in other memory networks. For example, a rape survivor may “know” that rapists are responsible for their crimes, but this information does not connect with her feeling that she is to blame for the attack. The memory is then dysfunctionally stored without appropriate associative connections and with many elements still unprocessed. When the individual thinks about the trauma, or when the memory is triggered by similar situations, the person may feel like she is reliving it, or may experience strong emotions and physical sensations. A prime example is the intrusive thoughts, emotional disturbance, and negative self-referencing beliefs of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

    It is not only major traumatic events, or “large-T Traumas” that can cause psychological disturbance. Sometimes a relatively minor event from childhood, such as being teased by one’s peers or disparaged by one’s parent, may not be adequately processed. Such “small-t traumas” can result in personality problems and become the basis of current dysfunctional reactions.

    Shapiro proposes that EMDR can assist to successfully alleviate clinical complaints by processing the components of the contributing distressing memories. These can be memories of either small-t or large-T traumas. Information processing is thought to occur when the targeted memory is linked with other more adaptive information. Learning then takes place, and the experience is stored with appropriate emotions, able to appropriately guide the person in the future. A variety of neurobiological contributors have been proposed4,5,6,7,8

    #43271
    kmf
    Member

    Ok…thats way more scientific than my explanation. 🙂 March, of course you deserve better BUT you are getting yourself there in your own way? Of course you are. Nothing is going to hold you back March..not your childhood and not your H. Love Karen xx

    #43272
    debinca
    Participant

    My therapist used right and left hand buzzers instead of eye movement to do it. I did it on one of my big Ts and it really helped me see that it wasn’t my fault. In fact, I almost felt like I was floating over the “scene” and saw what was happening without the pain and could see it for what it was (sick SAH).

    I have a new therapist now and will be interested to see how she does EMDR. (clickers, etc).

    Thanks all for your concern about our son saying that…..we went to our first family therapy session last week (the addiction guy – and he seemed very concerned about all the rage that the kids had for their Dad). We’ll see what happens with that. I suspect that their sense of safety was shattered (as it was with me) when he ambushed us all with his desire for a divorce while he was screwing the last granny last Feb to March. He was very unstable and acted like he was on drugs or something equally as strange. It was a very tough time. It really shook up the kids.

    Deb

    #43273
    972
    Member

    I would suggest individual therapy for your kids Deb… They need to vent without mom and dad!!

    Good Luck Sweetie 🙂

    #43274
    oneofthesisters
    Participant

    Deb,
    I agree with bev on the individual therapy. In the past, my sa was so angry, aggressive and dominering my kids would have never voiced how they felt in front of him. They still are a lot more open and at ease when he is not around. The whole mood in our house is better. Just food for thought.

    xxoo
    Julie

    #43275
    teri
    Participant

    Here, here on the individual therapy for kids. My son won’t even talk with his original therapist because she also does co-parenting, so he knows she talks with his dad. She understands thankfully, so she is working with his other therapist who he will talk to and who doesn’t meet regularly with dad. Kids need a place they can feel safe to talk, someone all their own. Same with us, too.

    #43276
    march
    Participant

    I use the “tappers” too–the little pulsing egg-like things you hold in your hands. As a patient, I liked that I could close my eyes and run through the scenes in my head. During training, we used the hand movements in front of the eyes, and I found it distracting and not as effective. So I’ve purchased tappers and use those with my own clients.

    #43277
    debinca
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    Our kids (2 out of the 4) also do individual therapy…..we have spent a fortune on therapy since D-Day. We could have gone on many wonderful vacations with all the checks we’ve written.

    March – good to know what the “tappers” are called. They really helped take the emotion out of the scene I focused on. I haven’t gotten to it with my new therapist yet because there seems to always be another bone-head move on my SAH’s part to process during the week. But I feel like I’m detaching – he came home from his SLAA meeting last night and I wasn’t even that interested to hear what he “learned”. I think that’s a step in the right direction.

    Deb

    #43278
    ksondy
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    Just stopping by quickly. Deb I am si sorry I haven’t contacted you. Our SF trip was cometwly jacked up. We were 20 minutes info the city. Came in from the bridge from Oakland and made it through the city to 101. Then we were rear ended. Totally not our fault and the police report says so. We are all OK and the insurance has been smooth enough but my one D says ahe is “scarred for life.” And it screwed us on travel. We have no time to get our car to a shop for real repair. They’ll keep it week. I’m not there for a week. So we had to get it temporarily fixed because our back end is destroyed and we had no rear lights. That of time and pretty much ruined out time there. We got a few things done on a marathon tour. And we left SF early because my am anxiety was through the roof. We are almost to Santa Barbara which I hope will be more laid back. But then to LA… Which I am dreading. The driving should be worse there. I’ve driven in DC and Manhatten and would prefer it anyday!

    Oh… And a rock threw up from the road and cracked our windshield. We’ve only had this car for 6 months!

    #43279
    debinca
    Participant

    Oh Kim – I’m so sorry to hear about your accident. Not the vacation you envisoned, I’m sure. You will love Santa Barbara – it will get you into the vacation mood. LA can be nice – head to the beaches (Manhattan Beach is one of my favs)….and try to RELAX!

    Deb

    #43280
    teri
    Participant

    Kim,
    Sounds like a nightmare with the car. Glad you are all okay. I hope the rest of your vacation is uneventful and relaxing.

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