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July 31, 2011 at 8:44 pm #3493stillstandingParticipant
Sorry, couldn’t help myself, every time I log in, that song pops into my head and it has no bearing on why I chose that as my profile name. I chose it because after all I’ve been through in my life, I’m still standing…strong. I will preface this by saying 1) I’m a terrible writer, I ramble horribly and 2) I’m from NY so I’ll blame that for the cursing that will abound 😉
Where to begin? When I met D, I was 36 with three kids that I supported on my own – kinda sorta; my boys were receiving a penance from the government because their father was killed when I was 27 and I received child support from time to time from my daughter’s father. I was working full time at a kick ass job and had a decent home in a great neighborhood strictly for the school district. So, while I may not have had the most modern of homes on the block, and, my kids clothes came from Walmart and even Goodwill at times, I was self sufficient and quite happy eating my Hamburger Helper. I had a great circle of friends but was missing out on companionship. After trying to be set up by my best friend and failing miserably; I tried an online dating site and lasted three days due to the massive amount of pervs that were emailing me. It was nasty. But, it’s how I met D. (Who knew?)
D was active duty military and very handsome. He volunteered at the SPCA (I LOVE dogs); he volunteered at the Special Olympics (obviously I love kids). He always had perfect manners – held the door open, opened the car door, placed my order for me. Just a wonderful man. One that I felt comfortable bringing home to my dad (well my FIL from my first marriage, my dad died shortly after my first husband).
We dated; we fell in love; He asked my dad for my hand in marriage and my dad was thrilled. He even said, “L, don’t fuck this up. You got a good one here!”
We started looking at bigger homes in the area and got the engagement ring. He proposed and then shortly after got hard orders to move. Shit! Now I was leaving my home AND my friends AND my kick ass job. But, that’s the way life is in the military; I’d been through this before with my first husband. We had the normal stresses of packing but had to pack two households since he still lived in his house.
That’s when the first red flag popped up that I promptly ignored. He’d been using my computer to check his email while I was at work and had it minimized. I got home and went to check my email and lo and behold there’s some nasty ass chick spread eagle on her bed waiting to greet me. Why hello! He explained it was someone from his past that kept emailing him. I explain that it’s a simple matter of telling her to quit it. He says will do. Subject forever closed. Looking back I wonder if I had gone through his email then like I did later what I would have found. Would I have gone through with the marriage?
Fast forward because for the longest time all is great, or at least it was to me. We didn’t have sex as much as I would have liked but he has a form of ED from diabetes so I easily explained that away. He was looking at porn, but we also watched it together, no biggie there either. We communicated, my job was great, his was great, kids were great – yea for us! Best military move ever! *insert eye roll* because the shit is about to hit the fan.
I’m finding that every time I walk into the room he’s clicking out of porn. We argue about it, we sit and have long discussions about it. I express how it hurts my feelings and now it’s beginning to make me feel inadequate and at 5’2″ 125lbs – I shouldn’t feel that way. He promises he’ll stop and apologizes, blah, blah, blah. It happens countless times. He blames my Migraines, he blames stress at work, he blames me, he blames the kids. I say fuck this shit. You want porn instead of my hot bod, you can have it. See ya later bye! I give him the terms of the divorce and that’s that. I don’t need you or your house, I’m done. He cries and begs and pleads and I fall for it. We go for more counseling and I think all of our problems are solved.
By now though I’ve had to quit work due to my Migraines becoming so severe and so frequent and focus my time and energy on my health. I believe that this caused quite a bit of resentment on D’s part towards me. I think a part of him saw me as “mooching” off of him. It was during this time that his porn use escalated. We began sleeping in separate rooms because he had gained so much weight that his snoring had become so loud I couldn’t sleep, causing me more Migraines. I’d fall asleep in our bed and then thirty minutes later have to leave. I’d hear him in the middle of the night, moving around in the bedroom. I would walk in and catch him looking at porn.
I finally got to a point that I just didn’t care and neither did he. It was me trying to catch him but doing nothing except degrading him and him getting mad at me for sneaking up on him. Eventually, we grew apart but still held hands in front of the kids. But if he touched me, I flinched. He bought me expensive gifts one year, just of the blue and then would turn around and tell me he felt utterly detached from me. It made my head spin with confusion.
I lost myself that year. Literally. I understand how they say the addict can forget certain behaviors because there are things from that particular year that I can’t quite piece together. Timelines and dates and things that were said…I don’t remember all of it.
But, the thing I remember the most, of course, is the car. He bought me a car for my visit home to NY. The day he gave it to me he said, “I hope you’ll always know how much I love you, L. You are my heart and my soul.” I’ll always remember that because I knew he meant it. But, it was also a consultation prize. A way of saying – here, I royally fucked up this marriage, but look, I got you this nifty car to make up for it. (I now have a new car LOL) Because once I got up to NY, he called and told me to stay as long as I wanted, there was no rush to come back….ouch.
So, I come home a few weeks later, start the divorce, again, but ask to stay on his insurance for a medical procedure and for the kids to finish out school until Christmas break. He agrees.
We live like roommates for the next few months, which really isn’t that much of a change but we’re both miserable. He finally tells me that I’m much more important than porn and that we’ll only look at it together like before – like a dumbass, I agree. And this is where I became someone I despise. I looked at porn that grossed me out but never said I was offended. I bought more and more lingerie in hopes to compete with the whores in porn. Barf. And, for eight fucking months I did this.
Then I found the naked pictures of him on his computer along with over 200,000 porn images. Completely by accident and I was utterly surprised! Okay, porn…but this?? He disclosed one online affair. I was devastated and left for home to sort things out in my head. I decided I could remain married to him if he sought help. Again, we went to marriage counseling….but my trust had been shattered and my gut was screaming. So, I began keeping an eye on him.
Finally, I had the gut instinct I needed and installed a keylogger on his computer. I didn’t have a password yet, but I’d get it soon enough. I got on his computer, did some digging and found dozens of porn pics from the day before. I left every picture open on his screen. He came home, I freak out and I left. Me digging around on his computer froze it and he had to reboot – ha ha – KL activated.
They say be careful what you wish for….it’s true, I now have the proof I need for a quick divorce but I wish I never had to see it. Thankfully, he only opened a few emails and then just deleted all of them so the KL didn’t get them all, but it got enough.
***trigger alert**
In the end, he had dozens of online affairs both sexual and non sexual. He visited several adult sites (some he doesn’t even recall). He web camed with some of them. He invited one of his whores into my home and then compared shave jobs with her and felt how smooth they were while I waited for him to come to bed. The week his Nan died, he went home for the funeral and got a blowjob from some skank from cyber friends and a blowjob from his child hood friend’s wife. My only consultation is this is that he was totally selfish and didn’t do anything for them. He took a shower with a co-worker but she was running late for work and he couldn’t get hard (she wouldn’t even turn around to face him during the shower-not sure why, but I get a sense of satisfaction from this). His last attempt at acting out physically was with another co-worker. He took a shower at her house while she waited for him downstairs. He flashed her, she got pissed and told him to get the fuck out of her house before she reported him. 😉 All but the first physical acting out happened within a few months of each other.It was then that he knew he was out of control and tried to stop everything himself and couldn’t. He was to scared to tell me anything (duh) and kept slipping with porn. Once I finally flipped out – I’m not proud of the things I said to him that day, but now I know what seeing red means – something clicked in his head. When I left to cool down, he got on Candeo and he’s been sober since January. He sees a CSAT every three weeks and attends SAA although keeps talking about switching over to SA.
My biggest frustration is that he isn’t working a healthy recovery and he knows it. He has until December to find a sponsor and start working on his steps or, at the very least, working his workbook- that will be a year since Dday 3.
If you read this whole thing – thanks – I know it’s long!!
July 31, 2011 at 8:59 pm #16354lyloParticipantSS, Thank you for opening up about your marriage. I feel for you and your husband too. I have to wonder if your previous marriage counselors addressed the obvious sexual addiction. It seems that they would have pointed him to treatment?
Ps, gotta love that last co-worker. Wish my co-workers were like her
July 31, 2011 at 9:16 pm #16355b-trayedParticipantI read every word…So sorry for your nightmare. Keep building your own dreams, ones he cannot mess up.
Hugs, B. TrayedJuly 31, 2011 at 10:14 pm #16356marieParticipantHi SS,
Thank you for sharing your story with us, and hoping that writing it down and sharing will start diffusing some of that pain and allow you to continue to focus on moving forward. What is Candeo? What are your support systems to help you through this painful and frustrating process? Do you have friends and family on board? Do you see a therapist?
Love,
MarieAugust 1, 2011 at 12:28 am #16357napParticipantHi Stillstanding,
Thank you for sharing your story. I hope your h stays on the recovery path and you sound very strong. So sorry about the painful discoveries you’ve had to endure. Why do you think he is not working a healthy recovery?
Love, NapAugust 1, 2011 at 2:26 am #16358lexieParticipantHi SS,
I’ve read most of this on your blog. I am wondering, however, especially in the paragraph after the trigger alert. There are a lot of details that one could only know if they were actually there to witness the events for themselves. Is this what he or his affair partner told you and if so, how do you know its the truth of what actually happened? If that’s too painful to answer, you don’t have to, I’m just curious, that’s all.I’m so sorry that you are having to go through all of this.
love and hugs,
Lexie
August 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm #16359b-trayedParticipantI am sorry to be so blunt, but remind me why we stay or consider staying with men that have lied and deceived us so. Can we ever trust them in the future? Probably not. Are we crazy not to run for the hills, or is there enough good that it overrides the bad?
b. trayedAugust 1, 2011 at 11:19 pm #16360stillstandingParticipantHi everyone!
Thank you so much for all of your support…..wow, you guys continue to amaze me with it! Let me take this one question at a time:
Lylo: “I have to wonder if your previous marriage counselors addressed the obvious sexual addiction. It seems that they would have pointed him to treatment?”
D always glossed over the amount of porn he was looking at and how often he was looking at it so, to me and to our MC it seemed “normal” and as sad as it is to say, and IMHO, the military seems to think it’s even more acceptable since they get deployed so often. Not once did he mention the actual acting out until December of 2010 at our last MC who just wasn’t qualified to handle the addiction. D mentioned the amount of porn to his IC in December of 2010 and his IC agreed with me, that it was an addiction and then my hell week began.
Oh, and the last co-worker; I was so close to emailing her and saying thanks for not engaging in his antics but couldn’t do it. I just felt weird about the whole thing. Like, hey, my husband flashed ya, thanks for not getting aroused!! It’d be a bit awkward LMAO
Marie: What is Candeo? What are your support systems to help you through this painful and frustrating process? Do you have friends and family on board? Do you see a therapist?
Candeo is an online program. I’d relate it to Recovery Nation only in the sense that it focuses on the addict finding healthier behaviors but it definitely isn’t as journal focused. It has more of a business meeting type feel, like a video conference and it has coaches available as well. Once the member joins, a support person(s) can be added for free.
My support systems are few and far between. I have no friends to speak of because I wasn’t here long enough to establish any before I got sick. Then this shit happened. I have “acquaintances” but no one I’d ever tell about this mess. I tried COSA and that flopped. I’m in the midst of trying S-Anon, the jury is out on that right now since I’m still of the mind set that I don’t hand this over to God and I’m also not to blame but I also find it comforting to be with other women who have been there done that. The only problem is, the group is so small, no one shows up…so, that kind of sucks. As for family, well, that backfired on me in a big fucking way (pardon my language) but my brother royally pissed me off. That could be another post entirely but the summary is: I called him two months after Dday desperate for support; his married son had had some sort inappropriate texting while he was deployed so I expected compassion from my brother and I got it on that phone call. The next time we talk however, my dogs were barking in the back ground and he remarks, “Oh, I hear D is home, how’s that dog doing?” and I haven’t heard from him since. So, no family support to speak of. Yeah, I’m a bit bitter LOL
However, I am a member of a group that Barbara Steffans is hosting every Friday (author of Your SA Spouse) and I also see an IC every two or three weeks. Plus, I journal on my blog like a fiend!
Nap: Why do you think he is not working a healthy recovery?
Ah, the question that drives me the craziest and has me contemplating divorce. It’s also makes me reach deep inside myself for some answers about me and also about him. I truly believe that his recovery has become stagnant because he has reached a point where it is now a scary challenge. He faced SAA when up against the wall with me and Candeo was rough but he made it through just fine. Now, SAA is like a comfy blanket. He knows what he’s facing every week and doesn’t have to worry about accountability or trying to find the root cause of his addiction. It scares the shit out of him – at least that’s my theory.
It’s been wonderful to watch him grow with me and our marriage. He communicates so well now. He is empathetic when I trigger or am hurting. Especially when I’m in pain from a Migraine, when before he’d run for porn. I can go to him with anything (although I still hesitate because I’m still gun shy from before). He communicates with the kids. He’s being productive again. So, that gives me that hope that he’ll continue that path and it’ll lead towards a healthier recovery. But, time will tell and I’m left with the tough decision of whether or not I want to wait or not.
Lexie: There are a lot of details that one could only know if they were actually there to witness the events for themselves. Is this what he or his affair partner told you and if so, how do you know its the truth of what actually happened?
I’ll never know with 100% certainty if what he’s told me is the truth or his version of it. I battled with this for months after Dday. The questions would pop in mind in so many different forms and I was relentless in my questioning of him. I think I’d have a viable career as a PI now, no lie. I was able to recover a shit load of email addresses, and from there (with outside help) information on the OW and I dug and dug. I recovered a lot of stuff. Yuck. At the time, I thought I was doing something healthy for myself, now, I’m not so sure but I can’t say I honestly regret any of it. At the time, the not knowing drove me crazy. I created The List on an Excel spreadsheet and went over it with him. The Who, What, Where’s…The first time was a basic Q & A; the second was much more detailed. As time progressed, I actually made contact with some of the OW husband’s and, as you know from my blog, one of the OW contacted me (Bitch!) (I digress from that crazy psycho whore)…anyway, their stories matched up. So, as far as the details of it all, I’m done caring for the most part. He fucked up and I can’t change it. I can accept it and not like that part of him that did it. I can be angry at that part of him that did it, but it won’t change the actions themselves. So, I stopped investigating because it just kept hurting me. So what if there’s one more psycho whore I don’t know he cybered with? That’s the addict, not the recovering addict in him.
That’s not to say I don’t still have anxiety over some of these skanks, because I do. You know from my blog who they are *gack*; but, the others, whatever. I just had an email from one last night and sent out a No Contact letter. Normally, I’d of left it alone but this one was persistent in looking for him and I didn’t want a repeat of what happened with V; so I nipped it in the bud. And, D was right there for me…again. Oooops, rambling, sorry!! LOL
B.trayed:Are we crazy not to run for the hills, or is there enough good that it overrides the bad?
For me, I had to take a good hard look at my husband, before and after the addiction. I had to remove the addiction from the equation and make sure I really and truly loved him for who he was without the addiction and the answer was yes, without a doubt he is a good man. When I added the addiction back in, I still loved him and knew I’d have to be willing to work my ass off to remember the good.
Love to all!!
SSAugust 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm #16361b-trayedParticipantThanks Stillstanding. I can’t find who my husband is. How do you differentiate the addiction from him? The discovery of his addiction and his lack of interest in looking at any root issues, makes it confusing. He is inconsistent at times and when he is sweet, I wonder if it manipulation or the “real” him. I am clueless. Thanks
B. TrayedAugust 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm #16362stillstandingParticipantB.trayed,
My husband’s addiction didn’t develop until he was in his late 20’s and didn’t take “full hold” until he was in his mid 30’s. So, when I met him at the age of 36, he was emotionally mature and I saw him for who he really was already, the addiction hadn’t sunk it’s claws into him just yet.
I can tell when the “addict” side is showing because he doesn’t show empathy for me or the kids; he’ll spend time on the computer on ebay instead of talking with us; little things like that. So, I do a check in with him. I remind him one time that we are here and leave it at that. If he wants to be a part of the family he will be, if not, then he can’t bitch about not knowing what’s going on in our lives.
While he hasn’t picked apart and examined the pieces of the root cause of his addiction, he has his ideas…lack of intimacy from his mom; verbal/physical (her only – he never hit her) abuse for 13 years from his first wife and then no sexual contact from her or anyone else for over half that time; then the most vile acting out happened when his Nan died, who he was very close to. I believe this is why its so difficult for him to face his recovery with any real gusto because now comes the scary difficult part.
He has no problems talking to me about it, but I’m not a shrink and I can’t hold him accountable for working a program either….
As far as manipulation – yep, he did that with me for four months during our first disclosure period. He wasn’t ready to start his sobriety yet and it sucked, I’m so sorry you’re husband may be doing that too.
Hugs,
SSAugust 2, 2011 at 11:05 pm #16363sharronParticipantI can tell when Steve’s addiction is active because he gets mean, defensive, and the lieing starts. Otherwise, he can be as sweet as sweet can be which is what I choose to believe is the real him
August 2, 2011 at 11:15 pm #16364b-trayedParticipantThank you SS. My h seems interested in us. He just does not think he has a problem. It is sad; I love him and wish I could be with him, but his choices may not permit that. Without recovery and the rebirth of his life, I am afraid he truly remains the same. (Though there are some changes, I must admit.)
As I look out our window, I see the beautiful creek and pond he built, with many fish, turtles and visiting birds, squirrels, and even a bunny today. It has an adorable wooden bridge and in another area a dock with chairs to sit on. There are plants of various colors everywhere (a living fence of arborvities) and stepping squares with the middle full of green and white ground cover.
Yet, he tells me over and over, he can’t afford counseling (and does not believe in it). As my therapist told me today, I have to start really facing reality. The nature center outside costs quite a bit…but no money for counseling. Conversely, I sold every valuable piece of jewelry I owned to get counseling. I sold my father’s university ring he gave me for $200 to get counseling; I sold a couch to get money for counseling. He may be sober OUTSIDE of the marriage bed, but something is definitely wrong. Hugs, B. Trayed
August 2, 2011 at 11:39 pm #16365napParticipantHi B.,
I just wanted to tell you how clearly you are seeing things. I know they are very confusing however we don’t have to be and I think you see the reality of it now. Your h is in likely big time denial about his addiction. Mine was too. It’s a really BIG thing to admit to themselves. I just want to tell you it’s good you are not in denial and with truth there’s hope.
Love, NapAugust 3, 2011 at 12:03 am #16366b-trayedParticipantThanks Nap, Love – b
August 3, 2011 at 1:22 am #16367floraParticipantSS,
Just a quick comment. Your h or you blamed his first wife as part of his addiction and that they did not have a sexual enough relationship?? From my understanding that sounds like something and addict would say for one, and two she is not to blame for the addiction. Heck I am sure, and i know for a fact it has been said, that some of these guys act out against us because we don;t put out enough or have enough sex with them. However this just may not be the truth, or she was disgusted by his actions and had suspicions and did not want to touch her h with a ten foot pole. Just an observation.B-trayed. Here are my thoughts on your post. I am not a women of means, but we do have health insurance. I see my therapist on a weekly basis, and its covered. I have not gone to any speical extra therapy or intensives as i cannot afford it. I have read every book i can get my hands on, i have tried cosa, i tried this site, i read books for him, i read books for me, i research on and on. If someone WANTS to find a way to get better…there are many many free resources and free ways to do so if one is so inclined. Seeing a therapist may cost money. But it is a sacrifice that needs to be made, as you know. But you also know that there are many free resources if he were to look up, he could do. And if he talked with a therapist he may be willing to find one that would accept the lower “insurance”rate. I have found in the past if i went to the doctor and did not have insurance…they charge you a lower price than of you did. But other options are your church, pastors often provide free counseling service or may be able to put him in touch with someone who can help him.
But his effort to heal and sources he finds are totally up to him to discover. He will get out of it what he puts in. I have no money for a therapist is not an excuse to stay an addict; however its a very conveniant excuse for many of them. I don’t have time, i don;t like SAA, i don;t beleive in a higher power, i don’t know what books to read, therapy costs money. Really there are many excuses. But in reality there are no excuses and we should not except them.
Love to you, Flora
August 3, 2011 at 9:28 pm #16368stillstandingParticipantHi Flora,
Let me clarify about his ex – they met and married quickly and she was verbally and physically abusive towards him for 13 years. As a result, he didn’t learn how to become emotionally intimate with her either. When I mentioned their lack of a sex life it was only to help b.trayed understand that D’s addiction didn’t begin until after his divorce. He never acted out while he was married to his first wife – I was the lucky one who got to put up with that mess *eye roll*
Hugs,
SSAugust 3, 2011 at 11:19 pm #16369floraParticipantHi SS. I get it, Thanks.
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