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January 28, 2011 at 1:48 am #2937
marie
ParticipantHi everyone,
I am going to throw a question out to those of you who have experience with this and can speak for similarities and differences in addictions as they pertain to us. If you have had a previous relationship with an addict ( specifically, not a sex addict) and obviously now have experience with a sex addict….they all involve secrecy, lies, deception, betrayal, financial insecurity, lack of ability to be intimate because true intimacy isn’t possible with any addiction, etc. As far as your personal experiences, what are the similarities and what are the differences for you? I can’t imagine anything more personal and a greater betrayal than a sex addiction, but I only have experience a man with a sex addiction. It has been unbelievably frustrating for me to have others, including therapists and counselors, say, “Well, it’s just like any other addiction.” And many actually think it sounds rational to say that spouses should look at it “just like any other addiction”, too. And intellectually maybe that’s true….but I think if my husband were an alcoholic I would have know about it long before 24 years into a marriage and I would have figured out that he was lying and why, if he were a gambling addict I think I would have known that at some point and kept track of the money, if he were a cocaine addict, I am fairly certain I wouldn’t be comparing myself to the line on the table and hating myself for doing it. My husband’s therapist is a woman and I like her and she told me in response to my point about how personal this is for a wife “You know, your husband could be an alcoholic for 24 years and you might not know it.” My response was an incredulous, “NO!, absolutely not!” And if it gets more personal than this, I don’t ever want to experience it.
What do you think? What are your experiences?January 28, 2011 at 2:31 am #9910katt
MemberOh my god its so very different, I was married for 21 years . the last 10 years he was addicted to drugs. At first maybe the first year or two I knew something was off but soon realized he was wasted no one can hide that. When a person has a chemical addiction like drugs and alcohol,its hard to hide. For me I told anyone who listened I didn’t care who knew. We had; no he had many other issues from day one but as far as his addiction I knew and the kids knew and anyone who had contact with him before the drugs started could tell he was using. He tried to lie about it but he couldn’t hide it. I left him to be with my partner now and to tell you the truth I would go back to that life in a heart beat. This SA is the most soul destroying addiction there is. It eats you up. My partner is capable of anything. It scares the hell out of me to think this is out in the free world and nothing can be done. As for myself it has taken my dreams,my hopes,my spirit,my faith in people. I live with this horrible secret of sex addiction I can not tell anyone because I know how I feel about it, I fear it, it repulses me,it turns my stomach. It attacks the core of what makes us human in many ways. Sex and our bodies are the most private and emotional part of our connection to another human. I’ll have write more latter this has really hit a nerve for me
January 28, 2011 at 3:01 am #9911ann
MemberCorrectamundo, Marie. Your instincts are right on target – always go with your gut. If any “therapists” ever try to convince you that sex addiction is like “any other addiction,” well, fire them on the spot. They are probably crazier than your sex addict! Their “advice” is the last thing you need. Giving you advice like that is, honestly, malpractice. If they are that out of touch with reality, I might report them to their licensing boards. They are supposed to be there to help, not add to your trauma. They are probably more maladjusted than the majority of people – addicts or not.
My husband of 35 years is cross addicted – a recovering alcoholic and recently discovered sex addict. He probably had warning signs of SA before but, at the time, preferred booze.
Point #1 – with chemical addiction, they are pretty much right out in the open. You know when then they are buying & using. You can see the effects. They are pretty straight forward addictions. Not so with sex addiction. I didn’t have a clue about his “activities,” not one. Looking back, there might have been some red flags but not many, in fact, nothing right in your face, like chemical addictions. That is one of the reasons that sex addiction is referred to as a “shadow” addiction. Sex addiction is kept a secret from everyone but the sex addict – and they usually think they are “normal.” Most people have some knowledge, understanding and compassion for other additions. They try and understand what you are going through. But sex addiction is a totally different game. Not only does SA move the goal posts from all other addiction models but it as if the goal posts have been replaced with a net.
#2 You are so right about SA being much worse than other addictions. It rips apart your primary relationship. You, in an instant, wonder who in the hell you have been married to for all these years. For me, this discovery has been MUCH more traumatic than his drinking ever was. Tell your husband to find another therapist. It is part of establishing YOUR essential boundaries. Do it for yourself because it really helps to have good therapists involved.
#3 Just a few tips on finding a proper therapist: Interview them on the phone and in person. Ask them about their experience with sex addiction, not just addictions in general. Make sure they also specialize in trauma and PTSD and, perhaps, personality disorders. No “new age” crap allowed. I interviewed four before I found the right one. After all, you are paying them, not the other way around.
I hope this helps. I’ve been there. If you have any more questions, please ask. You will find more information on this web site than with many therapists. Please take care of yourself and remember that the reason all of us are here is to help YOU.
January 28, 2011 at 4:10 am #9912nap
ParticipantHi Marie,
Im sure other addictions are bad too, however, i think sex addiction is nasty on so many levels and its very personal. I remember thinking at one point in my marriage I had sex more often before I was married than after. (I wasnt a bad girl). I just thought my husband just wasnt into it that much and even encouraged him to get his testosterone check (it was low). Now I know he was having sex just not with me-how can I not take that personal? Here are the reasons i think its different than other addictions:
1. Its super hidden by the addict
2. It can go on for years before discovery (in my case 25 yrs)
3. It can ruin the health of an innocent party (us) STD’s and HIV/AIDS
4. It breaks marriage vows
5. I think they know when they marry us they cant be faithful therefore we are lied to by omission
6.Emotional trauma it causes the wife/partner is huge and the rest of the family upon and after discovery
7.Unless you have personal experience with this addiction, nobody really understands it including professionals
8. A person cant just cold turkey sex forever
9. It ruins our sex lives which the most intimate part of a marriage
10.It should have never been invented in the first place and why my husband had to be one out of all the men I could have married just makes me sad (because I love him) 🙁January 28, 2011 at 6:17 am #9913sandy
ParticipantOur marriage counselor said sex addicction eats away at a marriage from the inside out. In the later years, as we continued to work, and he continued to find ways to access porn, it ate away at me, hollowing me out inside. In the end, I did move forward with a divorce (not quite a month ago). He seems to be boucing back quickly, yet I am grieving. Not sure what other addictions are like, but this one destroyed what was once a close relationship with my best friend.
January 28, 2011 at 7:16 am #9914cbslife
MemberAll I know is; I’m a recovering alcoholic ( 13 years sober) and I can NEVER have another drink.
My SA is a recovering sex addict; he WILL have sex again.
January 28, 2011 at 12:56 pm #9915lylo
ParticipantNap, I had nearly an identical experience. One reason they don’t disclose is because consciously they think they can manage it and subconsciously they really aren’t ready to give up the acting out when opportunity is there. They say that emotional maturing halts at the onset of addiction. My husbands sexual addiction started with pornography at 11-12yrs old and he knew he had a problem but I don’t think he dreamt that he would ever have become horribly and chronically unfaithful with actual women as he became. He really believed that he could put the fantasizing and erotic massage behind him when we married. But he never addressed the problem of his need for female affirmation to nurse the insecure adolescent boy (that childhood friends have told me that he was) in him so it only got worse.
Unlike others, sexual addiction is a RELATIONAL addiction that sears through our most intimate bond. I had to correct him and his counselor when they said that it was equally an affront to his relationship with our kids and God. Sorry, a sin for sure, and there is absolutely collateral damage to our family, but his sexuality belonged to me and he took it away from me and gave that precious part of us to others. So different from other addictions. Sunny, I thought he was my best friend too. I was certainly his.
January 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm #9916lylo
ParticipantAlso, Marie, you mentioned comparisons. I have gone that painful, futile route too, but the funny thing is that before we married and he told me that we could no longer have sex for spiritual reasons until marriage but continued to smoke weed. I began to hate weed. It became the other woman to me. He could resist me but not weed. I had no idea what lied ahead.
January 28, 2011 at 3:37 pm #9917nap
ParticipantHi all,
Lylo, I think my husband started the same way as yours did, (also same age) especially the way you described. I really think he thought he could stop when he got married. Addictions progress if they are not treated. Unfortunately, I can atest to that.Sunny, I think how your therapist describes SA is so true. It does eat at a marriage from the inside out.
cbslife, I would like to ask you what you mean that your SA will never have sex again? Please explain if you feel comfortable doing so.
January 28, 2011 at 3:46 pm #9918nap
ParticipantAlso, wanted to add I think I heard somewhere (not sure if this is reallly true or not) that the high from SA is 4X the high of heroin. If its true, thats powerful.
January 28, 2011 at 4:11 pm #9919cbslife
MemberNAP,
He WILL have sex again. I was just pointing out the difference in addictions. An alcoholic can never have a drink again, but a sex addict can have sex again.January 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm #9920nap
Participantcbslife, sorry is misread your sentence. I understand now.
January 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm #9921Anonymous
InactiveHi sisters,
I was married to an alcoholic for 6 years, we spend a total of 8 years together. Like Katt who said, quote: “I left him to be with my partner now and to tell you the truth I would go back to that life in a heart beat.” Yep, I would too and kiss his feet as well!!!I think being married to, or in a relationship with any kind of addict is a rough ride. The relationship is filled with drama, constant arguements, empty promises, false hope – because more often than not, the addiction wins every time.
However, you asked for differences between a SA and other addictions, here is my take on it:
My alcoholic ex truly loved me and married me because of it – my SA h needed (and used) me and married me under false pretences.
I didn’t have to spy on my alcoholic ex, when he’d been drinking there was never any doubt about it. I could see it, hear it, smell it and he never tried to convince and/or insult me in saying that I must be imagine things, was paronoid, insane, obsessive or sick in the head.
My SA h in comtrast would lie, smooth over, be insulting, justify and even caused me to doubt what I saw. There were occasions though when I could actually see that he was acting out again. He secretely took Viagra and whenever he did, his eyes were totally bloodshot and his nose was dry, which caused him to repeatedly use nose-spray.What I found to be similar, was the blame shifting. I have never ever touched a single drop of alcohol in my life, because my dad and my step-dad were both alcoholics and the mere thought of drinking makes me feel sick.
My alcoholic ex on many occasions used this as an excuse for his heavy drinking. He said it was because I didn’t go out drinking with him, I caused him to go out by himself when he wanted to have a drink and he could never tell me beforehand, because I wouldn’t have allowed him to. On other occasions, someone else was at fault for persuading him to go for a drink, or bought him more than he wanted to drink or whatever.
My PA h always tried to make me feel guilty for his porn use, which we already know is ‘normal’ behaviour for them.My alcoholic ex was always loving and affectionate; drunk or not. I never doubted his love, I just resented having to compete with his love for alcohol. We had a great sex-life and I never felt neglected, unattractive or second best sexually.
My PA h would tell me every day that he loved me, at the same time of day (morning and night) with exactly the same words, in the same tone of voice. Apart from the first year or so, I never actually felt loved. His empty, meaningless words of love started to bored me. They were just words. Nothing else. Void of emotion. Incidentally, he never ever, not once, has been able to keep his eyes open or look me in the eyes when he told me he loved me. Not once. Go figure!The lies about money were the same with both my alcoholic ex and my SA h. They both lied about how much money was spend and where the money went. If my alcoholic ex had money, it had to be converted into beer, often he would not come home until the last penny had gone.
In contrast, my SA h has always been responsible with his money. His bills are all paid on time, he never goes into the red at the bank, we never struggled to survive. However, his stupid mother does give him a couple of thousand Euros or more behind my back so he can his fun and he’s also heavily into having sex with strangers. Free sex, risky sex.Trust & lies – you can’t trust or believe either addict, however, I found that the lies of a PA weave themselves into every aspect of life and he will lie even when he’s not acting out or watching porn. My alcoholic ex would only lie in direct relation to his drinking and was trustworthy on a lot of other aspects of our relationship.
Promises: FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
My ex’s alcohol problem made me feel embarrassed at times, but never ashamed. In stark contrast I feel shame for my PA h habits all the time – luckily it’s not as blatently obvious to others, else I probably would have strung myself up a long time ago!
Those are some of the thoughts I had after reading your questions. I am not sure if those answers were the kind of thing you were looking for. In a nutshell, life with an alcoholic is tough, stressfull and frustrating at times but by FAR more bearable than being the wife/partner of a SA and most importantly, not personal and soul destroying!!!
January 28, 2011 at 5:57 pm #9922marie
ParticipantThanks everyone for your thoughts in this, keep them coming. The validation feels great.
MarieJanuary 29, 2011 at 1:04 am #9923katt
Membermarie as i said earlier i was married to a drug addict for 10 years i was angry at him, sad, fed up allot of the time but not once did i ever question me. With the SA i feel empty, used,depleted,void,violated in so many ways,angry at myself and at him, alone that deep profound loneliness you feel when someone dies and you know they are gone forever,so when you asked
‘is sex addiction more personal compared to other addictions?”
i can honestly say from experiance yes. just wanted to tell you a short story my ex died 3 years ago and i had to tell my kids they cryed, i cryed and my daugghter said that her father died years ago she was crying for everything she missed by knowing he can never give that to her because hes dead and now can never get better i was thinking about that and i live with a man with SA and its like hes been dead since we metJanuary 29, 2011 at 7:14 pm #9924hurtheart
ParticipantI 100% believe that it is far more personal than any other addiction. This is just an opinion, as I have never been involved with an addict before. However, my SA constantly told me it had “nothing to do with me”, yet it had EVERYTHING to do with me. He had sex with prostitutes because they WEREN’T me. He watched porn for variety because the actresses WEREN’T me. He talked to other women on chat, FB, etc, because they WEREN’T me. I told him that he just threw away a great woman and his family {we have a 2 yr old} just because he felt the need to have sex with a vulva that WASN’T MINE and that if you add up all the orgasms he’s had from cheating on me, it’s only a couple of hours of his life, and for that, he lost out on everything good he has. A measly couple of hours and a vulva that wasn’t attached to my body or breasts that perhaps were smaller or bigger. It can’t get more personal than that. Plus, choosing to watch porn over touching your wife who is flesh and blood??? YEA that IS personal. I actually would have preferred him to be an alcoholic; at least there would be a chance for him to become sober, and if and when he fell off the wagon, I would notice. Also, I would never compare myself to alcohol or narcotics. Those are things that your body becomes chemically addicted to and when and if you try to cleanse yourself, you have horrible withdrawal that is physically painful and could even cause death. Not having sex with a plethora of different vulva’s is NOT going to kill someone; in fact DOING it might kill you instead {think AIDS}. You can STOP having sex with prostitutes and STOP watching porn and your body is NOT going to convulse, nor will you vomit non-stop and have shakes and all the other things. Plus, I was lied to from day one. He never meant ANY of the vows we spoke on our wedding day; the guy was cheating less than 30 days into the marriage. Again, it can’t get more personal that that.
Sorry for the rant. But this is something I feel strongly about, especially because my SA is always telling me I’m blowing it out of proportion and making things up. Yea right. Whatever guy. Go find another new vulva to get your “high”. ‘Cause frankly, mine is too good for you anyway.January 29, 2011 at 7:45 pm #9925katt
MemberYOU GO GIRL 🙂
January 29, 2011 at 10:08 pm #9926unwound
ParticipantMarie, thanks for this great topic! I can see that a SA’s behavior is NOT about me. But when he LIES, yes it is personal — because he’s lying to me.
January 5, 2013 at 3:13 pm #9927helen
MemberI am wondering what ya”ll think and feel about this topic.While it is not offering any solutions-it offers insight.My feeling is this is the most hurtful down to my core addiction-yes for me it has been personal.
January 5, 2013 at 3:57 pm #9928972
MemberIt’s personal. I won’t even listen to that “it’s not about you” stuff. Yes, it is very much about me.
January 5, 2013 at 4:16 pm #9929liza
ParticipantIf my ‘private parts’ are involved, hell yeah, it’s personal.
January 5, 2013 at 4:17 pm #9930liza
ParticipantWonder how Katt’s doing? I think about her often….
January 5, 2013 at 11:14 pm #9931kmf
MemberI was just thinking that myself…..
January 6, 2013 at 3:59 am #9932feelingconflicted
ParticipantSome of the comments in this thread from over a year are so profound. I’ve never been in a relationship with another kind of addict but I pretty much figured that if someone were addicted to drugs or alcohol, you would know sooner or later if they were using. With SAs, until you are wise to what to look for and operate from a mode of not believing one word that comes out of their mouth – they can hide this until their dying day.
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