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April 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm #3079
nap
ParticipantHi all,
It seems here lately, many are ending their relationship or marriage to their SA. If youd like to share, who is ending the marriage/relationship and why?
April 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm #11512flora
ParticipantHi NAP,
I am the one who filed for divorce. I had him served last week. Funny thing is he never even said a word to me. He picked up and dropped off our daughter just like usual. Never tried to defend himself nothing, no email, no phone call, no card, no letter; nothing. So much so that i started to wonder if he had even got served last week?? But the attorney called monday morning to see how I was doing, and def. confirmed he was served. The most odd thing is no matter how much the SA had protested divorce and professed his love; when it really came down to it…he was not there. In the past he has repeadetdly said he loves me, has cried in the past about it, saying he does not want a divorce; but nothing he has done (being actions) says that he does not want a divorce. He has happily moved into his parents house, where they coddle him and pay for him; and he has left real life with responsibilities that quite frankly i don;t think he wants. So in the end, now, i don;t think he really wants to be married. And he is very passive aggressive in this in that he will not tell me, but is making me be the one to do it. and to boot over a year and 3 months later, he has never indicated any of the 12 steps being completed, and he has never made amends to me.Anywho. That is just fine with me. I am very very happy with my decision; and know it is the right one. I gave him more than enough time, to see any results that I felt were indicator that there is hope and that i should stay and give more time. All I saw were indicators that I am wasting my life and my time; and i deserve to be happy and have a life too. And his reaction to being served further proves that I made the right choice. So I am now a year and 3 months past d-day and divorce is where my path has taken me.
The reasons why is: the lying, the deceipt, the lack of transparancy; the lack of giving to try to help me to regain trust; requests of mine are not important he only adhered to demands or boundaries; his lack of contribution to the marriage, household, communication, finances; the lack of intimacy and the fact that I want more out of life and a marriage. Being in a relationship with someone who lied, and has done unforgivable things; i have decided I just can;t do. And with his lack of effort this will never happen.
I have decided to divorce to end this trauma and frustration. I can do no more; all i can do is remove myself. I realize this now. Some people, parents, family will be forever the way they are; there is nothing we can do about it; but remove ourself. And I was very happy when i filed last week. I am really happy to have made a decision. And staying with him is not a decision I could live with or ever felt right. Its time for me to get out and move on.
April 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm #11513diane
ParticipantWhy is my marriage over?
1. I want a relationship of mutuality and the SA is incapable of that.
2. I don’t want to spend the rest of my life dealing with his problems which will never go away, be resolved, or end.
3. There is no evidence that the SA can live a life free of acting out, and free of the underlying PD traits (unless the wife surrenders her needs and serves him forever)—so I don’t want the emotional, spiritual, psychological and sexual abuse that comes along with the SA–sober or not.
4. I want to have a chance of being loved and desired before I die. I would like to know what it’s like, even briefly.
5. In the case of my SA, I think he actually does better without me around—the stress of trying to have an adult relationship with me seems to bring out the worst in him. He lapses back into lies and exaggeration, he can’t tolerate it if he’s not the centre of attention, he has no interest in my experience of life. So I don’t see that we are good for each other. If we are apart, he seems able to at least make better decisions.
6. Marriage, in and of itself, is not a virtue. And when only one person takes and keeps the vows, it’s not a marriage anyway.April 6, 2011 at 10:54 pm #11514busybee
ParticipantIt’s kind of different for me because in the end he left me, though he doesn’t want a divorce. My own reasons why the marriage needed to end were firstly the lies. That was the hardest part for me. I felt like I almost could have dealt with anything if I’d had honesty. Anger – which was affecting the children as well as myself. I realise he didn’t love me and probably never has. Finally, whenever I used to think about the kids being grown up and us being on our own, retired, I almost started having a panic attack as I knew I would still be dealing with the same problems and lack of trust even then. Diane, I found your comment about exaggeration interesting. Is that a common SA trait because mine was terrible for it? He’d tell a story and completely exaggerate the details so much. Like yours, mine loved being the centre of attention – so much so, that during his wedding speech he didn’t mention me!!! And when you said about only one person taking and keeping the vows – the priest who married us compared marriage to two people in a boat. If only one person is rowing, you just go round in circles!!! Sounds familiar!
April 7, 2011 at 1:48 am #11515nap
ParticipantHi Flora, Diane, and Busybee,
Thanks for sharing. I was wondering after your divorces if you exs “ever got it together” would you consider dating them?
April 7, 2011 at 2:28 am #11516diane
ParticipantInteresting question!
I have been wondering about this, myself. I’m actually curious to see if by removing myself from the institution that framed his SA life con, it might be possible for us to have a real relationship of some kind. I mean, if I’m not just useful anymore, does something else become possible? I don’t know. I still don’t know if I want him in my life that way, but I’m willing to see if divorcing him actually frees us both!April 7, 2011 at 11:56 am #11517busybee
ParticipantNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
🙂
I’d never be able to trust him or love him again after everything he put me and the kids through. Suppose it might be different for some of you whose partners have admitted their problem and actually tried to recover, but no matter how much he was hurting us, his pride was more important than admitting the truth. I know I’ll be a better person if I can get rid of the resentment and forgive him but at the moment that seems a long way off and even if I can I would never want to be with him again.April 7, 2011 at 11:58 am #11518busybee
ParticipantNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
🙂
I’d never be able to trust him or love him again after everything he put me and the kids through. Suppose it might be different for some of you whose partners have admitted their problem and actually tried to recover, but no matter how much he was hurting us, his pride was more important than admitting the truth. I know I’ll be a better person if I can get rid of the resentment and forgive him but at the moment that seems a long way off and even if I can I would never want to be with him again.April 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm #11519flora
ParticipantMy answer is while I do find my sa husband attractive for the same reasons i fell for him in the first place, I must not forget what he has done, that hurt me and our family. And his lack of contribution.
My answer is while there is always that crazy thought, maybe he will get better, turn into a better man and really get sincere about recovery; maybe it could work. But in reality this will never happen, and secondly it would be ever so easy to fall into those same patterns. I think they and we have a much better chance in life to start new. Getting remarried or dating again is always a bad idea, just ask your attorney. And I am sure it most always ends in divorce again.
So for me the answer is no. Once I made the decision to move on, that is the decision. And it was made for very good reasons. and I must never forget them.
April 7, 2011 at 2:10 pm #11520Anonymous
InactiveHypthetically, I could think about going back to Steve if he recovered, but realistically it isn’t going to happen. I think if we hold onto the idea of the SA changing, then we are not able to move on with our own lives. Once we have made our decision, I think we need to put them “out of sight-out of mind.” I know it is easier said than done, and it will certainly take us all a while to get there.
I will probably always love him, but as the others have said I would always be afraid of falling back into the same old patterns, and I don’t think I could ever trust he would be always telling me the truth. The lieing is as difficult to get over as the addiction. Secondly, with the underlying personality disorder of “Schizoid,” the prognosis is too poor to even think about it.
We all need to move on. We can never be assured of what life has in store for us in the future, but focusing on a possible recovery of our SA in the future is not only unhealthy, but unrealistic.
Just my opinion.April 7, 2011 at 3:00 pm #11521nap
ParticipantFor me, initially, I thought like Diane, then I think we do go back to old patterns. Remarriages and really most rerelationships dont work even probably without an addiction present. Top it off with a mental illness and chances are it wouldnt be happy or fulfilling. I dont think I would be able to grow in that environment and I want my life to flow again.
Thanks for the great responses.Sharron, What is “Schizoid”?
April 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm #11522Anonymous
InactiveHi NAP -Schizoid Personality is not a good one to have.
1. Lack of interest in personal relationships
2. Tend toward living a solitary life-style
3. Secretiveness and emotional detachment.
3. Tend to have a strong fantasy network. (Isn’t that great to have in conjunction with a sexual addiction.!)
4. Cannot feel or give intimacy. If their personal space is violated, they feel the need to free themselves and be independent.
5. Need a partner who places few emotional or intimate demands on them.
6. Tends to have addictions to allow distancing from personal relationships.
Prognosis is poor, because the Schizoid rarely seeks therapy on they’re own unless happens to go to therapy for another problem. ( ie:Sexual addiction)
Hope that helps explain what my life would be like. Ya!April 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm #11523flora
ParticipantHi Sharron,
So interesting. So many of these things would apply to so many of these SA’s (mine included). One interesting thing I found was that with so many of the personlity disorders, addictions are present and it makes total sense that sex addicts just may very well have an underlying personlaity disorder. Actually it is probably more likley that they do have a disorder than not. At least that is my opinion anyway.April 7, 2011 at 7:42 pm #11524Anonymous
InactiveYa, Flora – I think most of them do have personality disorders and so many of them overlap. My SA has traits of BPD, NPD, Avoidant and dependent PD’s. I thought his primary diagnosis was BPD, but his therapist put Schizoid on him. It doesn’t really matter – they are sick anyway you look at it.
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