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November 4, 2011 at 3:10 am #3901joannParticipant
Well dear Sisters, I think it’s time I gave everyone an update on how things are going in my life.
As a summary for all of the newbies, I have been married to Larry the Sex Adict for over seven years. 3 1/2 months after we were married I discovered his Sex Addiction. His vice of choice was prostitutes–100’s of them.
We were separated for 3 1/2 years while I moved across the country to Seattle and he stayed in our newly built condo in Milwaukee to work on his recovry.
In June of 2009, after I had been retired for two years and had purchased a very nice house in Wildwood, MO, Larry moved back in with me. He had years of 12 steps and counseling under his belt along with 2 full years of complete sobriety. He had been completely transparent, had given me monthly receipts for every single penny spent, had allowed me access to full monitoring of his computer and wanted us to be together forever.
Things seemed to be going very well as we do get along extremely well. We are both retired, have adequate incomes and enjoy doing a lot of things together, have many common interests and love traveling all over the world.
Since he moved in he has had two incidents of seeking and viewing sexually inappropriate movies and videos, which, as I have seen from his past behaviors, can lead to acting out with hookers. The behaviors have been quite mild, but his deception and lying about it is the killer.
The most recent incident occured this last August while I was on vacation with my two adult children in Europe. The discussions that followed led to more disclosures about his past behaviors while we were dating and first married.
Just imagine, after seven YEARS I’m still getting bits and pieces of disclosures; and each time he swears there is nothing else. It’s like having your skin ripped off in tiny strips and the wounds sprinkled with salt. He just can’t seem to let go of his secrets. He cannot trust me enough to let me know who he really is.
Well that was just the limit. I had just had it. Some of these new disclosures were just too much. Everyone has that ‘deal breaker’. That one thing that changes everything. And I hit mine.
His disclosure of having four ‘favorite’ hookers (while having literally hundreds of encounters with other hookers during that same period of time) just put me over the top. To add even more trauma to my pain, he also admitted that he didn’t use condoms with these four ‘favorites’ because they told him they were clean. (He gave me HPV as a result). He also performed oral sex on them amd he admitted that he had been ‘in love’ with one of them.
This was while we were engaged, while he was begging me to marry him (I really had no desire to get married) and was living in my apartment with all of my nice furniture and things and sending most of his money to his ex wife and paying for very expensive, private colleges for his daughters.
Talk about feeling used and abused! For me that was it. All feelings of love or attachment for this manipulative man just disappeared.
Over the years I had asked him repeatedly, both verbally and in writing, about the one ‘favorite’ hooker that I knew about. He consistently denied having any emotional attachment to her and consistantly denied ever having unprotected sex or performing oral sex on anyone. Hell, he even denied ever even kissing them.
Emotional attachment to someone else while claiming to love me was my ‘deal breaker’.
In addition I realized, from reading his written disclosure, which he had refused to give me for over a year, was which traits he found desireable in a woman. Things that I could never be. Here’s what Larry’s ideal woman looks like.
Tall (ha! I am 5’2″), leggy (okay, I do have great legs), young (well, not anymore), thin (okay, pretty close) hot (some think I am) and black (well that will never happen). If this is his ideal then I can never meet these standards.
So, contrary to his belief that I have stopped loving him over his minor slip last August of watching a few racy movies, I have completely detached myself from him because of all of the lies and deceit about my very important questions, as well as his total disrespect and lack of empathy for me both previously and presently.
So, I told Larry that he had to move downstairs (a very cushy place to say the least) and I would decide what I wanted to do. I removed the monitoring software from his computer (which he had asked me to put on the year before to help him control his internet surfing) and told him he could do as he pleased.
Well, for six weeks straight he spent almost all of his waking hours doing nothing except watching porn. I only know this because twice when I went downstairs to ask him something and knocked on his office door. He did not even bother to hide what he was watching.
I asked if he was watching porn and he said, ‘Yes.’
Enough said.
I really didn’t care. He could go straight to hell as far as I was concerned. It just didn’t matter anymore.
About two weeks ago he told me that he felt that watching all that porn was not good for him and he said he just wondered ‘what the hell am I doing’? So he stopped.
Okay. So what?
I needed time to think about what I wanted to do. I am in a different place than most of you on this site. I am 67 years old, I am very comfortable and financially secure and I can manage quite nicely without Larry’s income. I own my own home and tend to be quite independent. I have had two previous long term marriages and have been divorced twice. I have been well loved, have absolutely wonderful adult children and grandchildren and recognize the disruptive forces that divorce can wreak on your life. I just do not choose to do that at this point in my life.
Also, because Larry is retired military, when he turns 65 next year I will go on his TriCare for life, which is a health insurance that will cover me anywhere in the world (think about all that traveling I do with 3 children living in 3 different countries). This is quite valuable as Medicare and our Federal BCBS does not cover us/me in other countries.
And, to be totaly analytical, left brained and materialistic, his income makes us extremely comfortable and I am the beneficiary of his life insurance, government pension and retirement annuity. Because I plan to live until I’m at least 103, that also means a lot.
Even though we are married, I fiercely value my independence and alone time. I spend a lot of my days by myself; writing, painting or reading. The rest of the time is spent with household chores, cooking, working outside or spending time doing things with Larry. We enjoy traveling, the symphony, live plays, nice dinners, road trips or just watching a movie in the theater room downstairs.
It’s a good life.
And, it hasn’t changed much with Larry living downstairs. I wouldn’t be doing anything much differently if he were living upstairs with me, or even somewhere else.
As for Larry, if you take out the SA part, he is quiet, easy going, has no temper and we really have a lot in common and we both love to travel and do things together.
So, I decided that us living together, but ‘apart’, and keeping the good parts of our lives intact was a wise decision. But, in order to protect myself from any further trauma I also decided that I must stay emotionally detached from Larry. I can enjoy his company, have fun with him, but I cannot ever again be emotionally involved with him.
It’s a fine line. And my thoughts on it change almost daily. I have to remind myself of all of the things he DOES NOT give me instead of getting all mellow and secure in all the things he DOES give me.
So, what is the down side to all of this?
Well, first, and quite importantly, he definitely does want to work things out. (Okay, I know that doesn’t sound like a down side, but it is for me). As all of you can probably empathise with, it’s hard to resist someone you have loved so much when they are being so fuckin’ nice to you.
So, I have to constantly be on the alert to prevent myself from getting sucked in again.
I just keep reminding myself of how gut wrenching it is when he lies to me. I remember the betrayals that have only recently come out–albiet from the past, and how much they hurt.
I remember how hard the fall is when you least expect it and you have not braced yourself.
There is also a new issue. He has just been diagnosed with moderate to severe Attention Deficit Disorder. Finally, some of the goofy or immature things he does, or has done, now make sense. But, that means that now there is ANOTHER new thing that I have to learn to deal with and absorb into my life.
As I have said before, it doesn’t matter what they call it, what matters is how it impacts us.
Another down side is that I truly miss having a mature adult companion and mate. Larry has also been diagnosed with Avoidant Personality Disorder and Depression. He takes medication for the depresson, but he avoids any and all conversations that make him uncomfortable.
I miss real, genuine intelligent conversations, which Larry is just not capable of. I miss intimacy–a lot! I miss someone caring about and asking me how I am doing and how I feel. I miss flirting with the man I love. I miss the playfulness. I miss that warm and fuzzy feeling of loving someone and being loved.
Sure, I could find a lover. I have had a few very serious offers from very nice, gorgeous and obscenely young men (Yeah, that does make me feel good!), but I just don’t want the hassles and worries that that would bring. And, even the thought of a new relationship just makes me claustrophobic!
So, for now it just is what it is. I am quite okay with not knowing what tomorrow will bring. Larry sleeps downstairs. We have a pretty ordinary life. Larry is busy planning next year’s vacations. The new year starts with our month on St. George Island in Florida (it was supposed to be two months but the beach house we had rented for February has been sold).
We are also looking at a two week trip down the Amazon River, maybe an Alaskan cruise, a river cruise through the land of the Russian Czars, a cruise to Antarctica (WTF? This must be a guy thing. My daugher’s fiancee wants to do the same thing. I told her that we should send both of these guys to Antarctica together and HER AND I would lounge on the French Riveria with our cute little bare breasts exposed to the WARM sunlight and gorgeous, young pool boys for scenery.)
Now, lest any of you think that I am some spoiled debutante from the fancy east side of what used to be one of the most exclusive suburbs in the country, think again. I grew up in that scene, but was the product of a middle class, hardworking father and a stay at home mom in the 50’s.
During my married lives I have enjoyed good times and bad. I remember having to hold a garage sale to get enough money to buy food for my children. I did not get my nursing degree until I was 40 and I often worked back to back double shifts for weeks straight just to make ends meet. I worked more than full time and went to school at the same time to get my Bachelors and Masters degrees.
Things were not always as calm and pleasant as they are for me now. And I am not ready to rock this boat any time soon. I am relatively happy where I am now, but I know I have to maintain the distance that I now have between myself and Larry.
How do I do that? Well, you can’t just DO it. It is something deep within you that has to happen. I don’t think I could force it if I tried–in fact, I know I couldn’t. I don’t see how that could ever work. I think you have to genuinely ‘arrive’ at it. And, even when you have reached that point, you really have to work hard to maintain it.
And that’s just what I am doing.
So my dear Sisters, I am still keeping my options open. I still have conflicts, I still don’t know what will happen next, BUT…I do know that whatever happens it will be MY choice and MY choice only. I will not be sucked under by the rip tide of Larry’s or anyone elses desires or needs. I intend to stay in safe waters and try to enjoy life as fully as I can.
Much love ~ JoAnn
November 4, 2011 at 4:06 am #21640ms-lindyParticipantJoAnn,
Wow, thanks for sharing this, I’ve been waiting to know how you are doing. I’ve often thought you were one amazing woman, now I know for sure!Before I comment further, I want to read and re-read what you’ve just said and really absorb it. But know this for sure…you are a light and a gift for so many of us.
Thank you for your openess and honesty.
Love, LindyNovember 4, 2011 at 4:26 am #21641lexieParticipantjust how young are those “very nice, gorgeous and obscenely young men?” 😉
November 4, 2011 at 4:28 am #21642joannParticipantUmmm, well…..like mid 30’s 😉
November 4, 2011 at 5:54 am #21643lexieParticipantsigh… sounds really yummy.
but no. that’s how I got in trouble the first time! LOL and that boy, as disgusting as he is… well… never mind… But they’re out there… the MILF hunters… haha!
And you’re a cougar for sure, JoAnn… a very sophisticated, classy coug!
I miss all of the same things you do… except my h IS someone I CAN have a very intelligent, witty, thought provoking conversation with. (or at least could, before August 2) 🙁
But no money. No travel. Not really much of anything else. But otherwise, he sounds a lot like Larry and is avoidant and probably has ADD. (after all, look at our kids!) That would explain why he failed so many subjects in what would’ve been his “high school.” He’s friggin’ brilliant; a veritable encyclopedia/dictionary, and yet he had to REPEAT many of his subjects.
I just wanted to comment on learning more and more (disclosures over time)…
If a guy has been acting out for 10, 20, 30… whatever years… how is one supposed to EVER get FULL DISCLOSURE? And as I said… a guy is NOT going to tell you those deal breakers (at least not right away) like he was in love with a hooker or your neighbor or your best friend… or that he used YOUR photo on some of his smut profiles. (predator did that to his partner and no, I did not tell her that!).
But, I understand where you are coming from, J… I really do. And from my conclusion, it is one of the 3 possibilities… and that is living with an addict, knowing that he IS an addict and taking what you can that’s good and ignoring the rest.
Some might say that you deserve “more.” Well… yes, of course… but what IS more? One never knows what hand they’ll be dealt. You could find the man of your dreams and he could be dead in 6 months. Who knows?
Maybe one day, Larry will take a giant sledge hammer to his computer and never look back. who knows? but detaching is a good thing. I am doing that too… (really, really trying!)
And there’s something to be said for getting that pension.
I’m a practical gurl.
And companionship, $$$, and a secure future is not anything to be scoffed at. Its just the other, the “recovery” thing that I’m really struggling with. The WANTING and NEEDING them to be something they are not!
I’m not saying that its NEVER possible. I do think that it is… but some of these men are SO unbelievably sick… I just believe that they are long past the point of no return.
Thanks so much for the update!!!
I love you, JoAnn!!!
Laurel
November 4, 2011 at 6:38 am #21644anniemMemberOh, JoAnn.. I didn’t realize this was your situation. I had been reading your marriedtoasexaddict site for the last couple of months before joining this site, and you’ve been my role model for how things can turn out in a positive way. I just can’t imagine what it must have felt like having more disclosure after seven years. But you are obviously a very strong woman and have found a way to make it work for you. But like you said, it’s so hard to resist when the man you love..your best friend.. is being nice to you, not fake nice, but the real person who cares about you. Sending you hugs and gratitude for this site,
AnnieNovember 4, 2011 at 7:05 am #21645silver-liningParticipantHi Ladies!!
Dearest JoAnn, I swear I hang on every word!! Thank you SO MUCH for sharing!! I’m really glad that you are feeling pretty ok about your situation right now. I understand every point you make and although not the solution for me (I want it ALL) :), I certainly understand the reason why you are exploring this option and am pleasantly surprised that it is working for you do far! The upcoming vacation possibilities would almost be enough to keep ME hanging around!! 🙂
Ok, now can I play the devil’s advocate? (You knew it was coming!!!) I would just like to touch on the point you made about what you DID miss from a normal, happy, relationship. I think we all understand what you mean by that… And whether that means with our recovering SA’s or with someone new, we all want to be loved and feel special and be doted on, etc. Of course we do!! I am assuming by your detachment, many of these things can’t happen with Larry. I mean, sure, he can kiss your ass, dote, be sweet, etc. but if you are detached then obviously you can’t truly enjoy these little engagements, otherwise your guard would be lowered. As you know, Out of the friggin blue, I met someone a few weeks ago and my world is currently being ROCKED and it is such a beautiful thing! So many wonderful things about the opposite sex that honestly, I had completely forgotten or given up on because it has been SO LONG since I was treated with respect and a TLC I would have never dreamed of experiencing again in this lifetime! I know it’s early in the game, but even if this doesn’t work out (as in FOREVER), it has at least gave me a renewed hope, that love IS still out there and it CAN be found again and there are good guys on God’s green earth, you just have to be lucky enough to find one! (Yes, Nap, there IS a Santa Claus)!!
I am by no way trying to minimize anything said in your post and I am thrilled for you to have at least some peace in your heart at this time! All I want for you is the best and all the happiness you deserve!! And only YOU know what that means to you!! Thanks again for sharing, and letting me share as well! I love this site, I love my sisters, and I love YOU, JoAnn!!
November 5, 2011 at 3:59 am #21646lynngParticipantJoann,
You are a strong, independent woman who has freedom to make any choice in this, and I respect that. I hope I can remain as levelheaded through this battle. For now, I vacilate between thinking this will all be put behind us forever and we’ll be able to trust one another again, and I’ll ride it out until I’m more financially stable and then collect enough evidence to fry his ass in court. I did tell him that he would have to kick ME out and I would email a copy of his hooker emails to everyone if he did. I told him I am not going make everyone in my family suffer hitting rock bottom so he could have the freedome to play his games unhampered. The consequences of my finding out that he’s playing while he’s married are just things he is going to have to live with until he decided he’s done with it, or he’s man enough to actually say he wants a divorce and make it happen and face the piper publically.
November 5, 2011 at 1:26 pm #21647napParticipantJoAnn,
Thanks for sharing your life with us. In our lives, we are the only ones who knows what works for us. I wish you much happiness and gratitude for your making this site a reality. You have helped me and others more than can be imagined. My pleasure to know you!
Love, Nap
November 6, 2011 at 4:39 pm #21648zumbagirlMemberJoAnn,
Thanks for sharing so much of yourself and your life to help us. There is lots of food for thought in your post. And yet it all goes back to what is so simple (in theory, at least): finding peace, and knowing what we can and cannot live with in our lives. I think that’s where many of us get “stuck”…we confuse what we feel we SHOULD live with (for the sake of others), with what we CAN live with.Much love,
JulieNovember 6, 2011 at 7:34 pm #21649shakennotbrokenParticipantJoAnn you are so amazing and I admire how open you are with all of us about your life. I am happy that you have found a way to live comfortably in every aspect and I hope that you only have more TRUE happiness to come. You definitely deserve it!
I don’t know if a thirty something year old is worth it though, my freak is 35 and just realizing his addiction and that his family and childhood are just fucked up. Actually, when I think about it I am not sure what would be a good age bracket for a man – I guess if they are screwed up in the head they will be that way at any age!
Poor ASSES!!
~ Shaken
November 6, 2011 at 9:16 pm #21650joannParticipantThank you, each and every one of you, my dear Sisters, for your comments. So often, after I write my gut-wrenching stories (and I know you all understand that feeling) and read them over a day or so later, I feel as if I haven’t really expressed what I wanted to say.
I truly am astounded when I read any of you say how together I am. I do try to be logical, and I think I am pretty stable emotionally, but there are times when I just feel as if I just want to chuck it all and go bury my head.
Sometimes when I read what I have written I seem so cold and calculating when really I am not that way–most of the time I am much too emotional.
It is a difficult task trying to reconcile all the pluses and minuses of my marriage. I think the realization I am finally coming to grips with is not so much about the Sex Addiction (that is just a symptom) but it is more about Larry’s complete lack of social skills and lack of ability to communicate on any level deeper than just superficial nonesense.
I guess as the issues of Sex Addiction become old news in our relationship, and as the layers of Larry’s Personality Disorders and general emotional deficits peel away, the problem takes on a whole new dynamic of complexity and seriousness.
When dealing with the Sex Addiction, as difficult as it was, at least I felt as if I had a grip on the issues. Now, with Larry having been diagnosed with the ADD, getting an additional med for his depression, having been diagnosed with Avoidant PD and his complete lack of abiltiy to talk with me about these problems, I feel quite lost.
I have tried many times to write about all the difficulties that I am seeing and experiencing lately, but the words just escape me. Maybe my brain is just overwhelmed (that’s new for me) or maybe I am just tired.
When I try to talk to him (in a very nice and calm way) he completely shuts down. He can’t (or won’t) even answer me. He averts his eyes, looks downward and just doesn’t speak.
He doesn’t speak!
Nothing!
In fact, sometimes he actually closes his eyes. He shuts me out. Often five minutes (I have timed it) go by before I finally say, ‘Larry, I asked you a question.’
His reply is usually something like, ‘I just don’t know what to say.’ or “I want to fix this but I just don’t know how.’ Sometimes he will just start talking about something totally unrelated, like the new calculator he just put on his Kindle.
I know he is struggling, and my heart does go out to him, but the enormity of it all, which I know most will fall upon my shoulders, is something I am having a hard time facing.
As a nurse I am getting worried about his mind. I am trying to understand the ADD, but this is totally foreign to me and I am having a difficult time wrapping my head around the difference between Larry with a genuine mental problem (ADD, Depression and PDs) and Larry, the immature, lazy, disinterested, inattentive, selfish jerk.
Either way, it’s just damn hard to deal with.
Sorry if I have droned on. I just finally felt able to say a bit of what was on my mind.
Love to all of you for listening ~ JoAnn
November 6, 2011 at 10:41 pm #21651dianeParticipantOh honey pie, join the club.
We all drone on.
It’s just a really tragic thing. For them and for us.
Your description of the layers of the problems—yeah, that’s why it can’t be fixed. That’s why everything that is asked of us by these stupid therapists and gurus won’t work. We have a saying here “it’s turtles all the way down”. You can’t find where it begins. And you can’t know where it ends.
Just keep talking it out, talking it through. We don’t need you to be right all the time, dear sister, we just need you to be honest. So thanks for being honest.
love you,
Diane.November 7, 2011 at 1:50 am #21652lexieParticipantWell… ADD is something that I do know quite a bit about.
This is the thing.
ADD is a neurological disorder that a person is born with. It sounds like Larry has the type without hyperactivity, which is the good news. The problem is… that since no one knew that he had it, he was never TREATED for it.
And since he was never treated for it, he’s likely learned to compensate and adapt
AND…
SELF-MEDICATE.
Years ago, when my kids were much younger, I used to attend some CHADD seminars in our town. Every time we had a speaker– an expert in the field. There was one who really stood out in my mind… a very professorial sort and he (talk about droning) went on and on about all of the co-morbid disorders that often accompanied ADD (such as depression, anxiety, Tourettes, bi-polar…)– but…
the THING that he STRESSED, over and over and over…
was that it was IMPERATIVE THAT THE ADD / ADHD, be treated FIRST and foremost.
And I realized that he was right.
He went on to say, that parents who refuse to use prescription meds, were in actuality creating the possibility of that child having TREMENDOUS problems, later in life, including, alcohol, drug and other addictions.
These addictions produced a high… that stimulated the production of dopamine in the ADD person’s brain. It is the lack of dopamine and serotonin, that creates the disorder.
Stimulant meds actually help the brain to create these two necessary chemicals.
Now… that, I know that you know… but, tying that all in, you can see why its so very DIFFICULT for Larry to stop.
I’m sure that he struggled in school. He probably got whipped, because that’s what happened when you couldn’t “follow” instructions. He probably suffers from depression.
He sought out something that gave him some relief from the hell going on inside his head… and not only that, it HELPED him in every area of his life, as he now had greater powers of focus and concentration.
Well, every area… except for one…
his highly intimate, personal relationships.
i am sure that Larry was sorely abused and made to feel like a POS. That is why he is avoidant. He shut down, a long time ago, JoAnn. It was how he protected himself.
I truly believe, that in Larry’s case, he DOES want to stop. I hear it in this phrase:
“I want to fix this but I just don’t know how.”
He truly doesn’t. He doesn’t have the tools, because they were never allowed to develop.
Tuning people out, also becomes a coping mechanism. I can be talking to my son… and its…
Cale… Cale… Cale…
and FINALLY, he’ll say…
wha?
(he’s back on meds–FINALLY! of his own accord, too)
We started him on Ritalin when he was five and it made a tremendous difference, like you cannot believe. but I still worry about him, but he is seeing a counselor, and of course, a p-doc.
As for Larry… He must be in his 60s too? He’s had a lifetime of living with this disorder and he’s learned how to compensate for the deficiencies… but he still has ADD, and so its best to think of him as being disabled.
because he is.
However, ADD people are usually very bright and often highly creative.
In retrospect, I believe that my husband also has ADD… and I don’t know why I never realized it. But, now, it explains why he nearly flunked out of high school… and felt like a loser, from a very early age.
I think I have been guilty of this:
And its that we SEE who and what our sex addicts COULD BE. We see them as bright, capable people who could accomplish great things, if only… but they don’t see it… and are frustrated by not being able to DO what we think they should be able to do!
They need a lot of therapy… and it must be ongoing. And they need a lot of patience.
and probably meds.
There’s a lot of controversy about stim meds for adults, but I take a tiny dose of adderal, and it really helps me, to feel “normal” (more normal), and I have no desire to up my dosage and actually take far less than prescribed. But, I don’t know how it would affect Larry.
There are also non-stim meds for ADD, but not only did they not work for my son, Straterra (the one he took), made him fuckin’ nuts!!!
well… there it is… I don’t know if any of that helped, or not… but just know that there is help for the ADD and that if its treated, it could be a very good tool to help him at least, not have as much of a compulsion to act out.
At least its worth a try.
Love,
Laurel
November 7, 2011 at 1:56 am #21653lexieParticipantPS: I don’t mean to say that you have to be his care giver and/or stand for his piggy behavior.
believe me, there have been many, many times… that the only thing that kept me from leaving my children was…
the fact that they were MY children.
and that was all.
November 7, 2011 at 2:28 am #21654anniemMemberJoAnn, your post brought up a question for me. I was wondering, when Larry was ‘self-medicating,’ were these personality disorders sort of masked? Because since my h stopped acting out..at least as far as I know.. I’ve seen this weird side to him, where it seems as if he’s become a bit retarded. I don’t mean that in an offensive way, but the word seems to fit him somehow these days. And he’s a very intelligent guy to boot. It sounds somewhat similar to what you’re talking about, and it’s very disorienting. I keep asking myself, was he always like this, and I just didn’t notice, or was he able to mask it by having a secret life? Or is it that now, in the face of finding out about his betrayal, I would at least expect more humanity from him than he apparently possesses, so it matters a lot more than it did in the past, when I was living in bubbleland without a clue?
And you don’t sound cold or calculating at all; you sound like a survivor.
November 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm #21655sharronParticipantHi JoAnn – I haven’t been on s.o.s. for a while now. Kinda taking a break to get my thoughts together. I really identify with the symptomatology manifested by Larry in regards to sex addiction, ADD, and Avoidant Personality Disorder. It sounds like you are talking about Steve-they are so similar.
I know how difficult it can be, and I think the toughest thing for me is “letting it go.” How can we ever?? Steve’s therapist said in session last week that I will be able to forgive Steve, but will never forget. That’s the problem-when old trauma triggers pop up, sometimes I wonder if I will ever be able to cope with them. ie: Last night, his daughter sent him an E-mail with a picture of herself. All I could do was run through my mind the objectification he has done with her, and if he was having sexual thoughts as he read her E-mail and looked at her picture. How does one ever get over things such as this?
I have tried the detachment piece of the relationship, and it just doesn’t work for me. It seems impossible for me to accomplish, so I just go day to day and hope the pain will numb somehow.
I think the most difficult thing for me is that when Steve is on-he is on, when there is intimacy and good sex. However, that never seems to last on a consistent basis.
I can also relate so much to the “nice side” of the SA. Mine has made strides in working on getting over the PA and his anger. He has also accomplished a sense of awareness and insight when it comes to the addiction. He is managing his addiction most of the time, but if he doesn’t, he still will sometimes continue to lie about it.
His Therapist told Steve last week that I may very well never be able to get over my trauma-I guess time will tell.
I think the thing that is so infuriating to me is when Steve and I are in a heated discussion over the addiction, his comeback is always, “You need to get help for your trauma.” Well, guess what!! If his addiction, lack of intimacy, inconsistent sex, not finding me sexy or attractive would ever go away, then my PTSD would disappear. In the meantime, there is not much a Therapist can do or say to make me wave a magic wand and make it go away. I know everything they would tell me to do/work on, I have processed many times. I think as long as we are in the environment and there is a constant threat of feeling lonely
rejected, and devastated by what the SA has done to us, nothing can be done to change how we feel.
I’m still hangin in there, but there are some very rough times!
I know all this is very hard for you, as I can still hear the frustration coming through on detaching totally from Larry. That is really going to take you some time. I know you will accomplish it, if that is really what you want and need for your life, but it is so difficult to reach a point of just feeling void of any feelings after sharing so much with Larry. I do agree with you that it is hard to forget the good times and focus on what the bad has done to ous psyche.
I don’t know where my marriage is going with Steve. I love him dearly, and I do see some progress that I do not see with Larry. Maybe, just maybe, he can get to the point where he is able to handle and ignore triggers-I know he is doing better, but has a long ways to go.
I can really identify with how you can’t have a conversation with Larry. Whenever Steve and I are talking about a sensitive subject, he will often retreat to silence or change the subject.
Much love to you, JoAnn, in this long journey of reconciliation you have ahead of you. Am sure it will get easier with time.
Much love and prayers coming your way.November 7, 2011 at 6:56 pm #21656joannParticipantAnniem, to answer your question, yes, when they are self medicating the PD traits are much less noticable. And, as Lexie stated, they have had a lifetime to learn how to compensate.
I think when it all comes out in the open, and we start to look more closely at their excuses and denials, their real personality starts to show. All those flimsy ways of dodging questions or their ability to get away with half truths, or asking a question in reply to your question just doesn’t work any more.
So, they are left hanging, their usual mechanisms no longer are effective.
When this happens some SA’s will get angry, some will withdraw, some will genuinely try to learn better coping mechanisms, some will try all of these or none of these.
But, from what I have seen, and from the experiences of our Sisters, I do believe that when they stop acting out it is just the beginning of the journey, not the end.
Good luck sweetie, we are all with you.
Sharron, thanks so much for your kind words, I really appreciate them
I do have to disagree with you though on one tiny point. I think you do need your own counselor now to help you with your PTSD. YOU know that it will not go away by itself even if Steve does stop all of his shenanigans.
I know you are a very knowledgable psyche nurse, but, you also know that this is a serious disorder and that you cannot do all the work yourself. That insight from the outside can be the turning point in your healing.
Please think about finding your own counselor, even just for a short while. You can start the healing process now and see what happens with Steve as time goes on.
Much love ~ JoAnn
November 7, 2011 at 8:11 pm #21657cbslifeMemberSharron,
I beg of you to get your own counselor and do it right away. You don’t know everything you need to know. I know you were a nurse and I know that you think you know everything you need to know, but I think you are wrong.
Please help yourself heal and give it a good try. Keep your mind open to change and seek out some help. I love you too much to see you suffer.
Much love, Claire
November 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm #21658dianeParticipantHi Sharron,
I was glad to see your post, and realized I missed you! Hope you will find a way through the mess that will also have the right care for you. Remember in our situations, nobody seems to care about us unless we get the help ourselves. Go get what you need. We’ve all been there too, and some of us still are!
lots of light,
D.November 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm #21659sharronParticipantThanks cbslife and Diane. It is so good to hear from you both and, yes, after reading JoAnn’s post I have decided to find a good counselor. In my experience, it is really difficult to find a good one. I will try, however.
Thanks, and love to you both.November 8, 2011 at 1:33 am #21660joannParticipantYaaaaaayyyyyyy Sharron! Jumping for joy here. Let us know how it goes.
Love you ~ JoAnn
November 8, 2011 at 2:23 am #21661napParticipantHi Sharron,
I have missed u 2!
Love, NapNovember 8, 2011 at 4:25 am #21662pam-cParticipantDeau r Joanne:
I just wanted to say thank you so much for sharing where you are at in life and with Larry. How I so relate!! It is helpful to know you struggle with many of the same decisions.
But you know Joanne, I can’t help but wonder. Are the financial and health benefits really worth it? I too am practical. There are many money reasons and child reasons in my decision, so far. but God Joanne, I keep questioning– is this what I am supposed to put up with and live with? I mean really? I know men and marriages are difficult, but constant betrayal? lying? managing the internet and checking account? are all marriages like this? It is awful. Just awful. while I know some voodoo whoo doo man is not around the corner to make my dreams come true— how about someone who is just– NICE. yes, NICE, caring and has good morals. Like hey, they have penis but they believe in being faithful to someone to the best of their ability. not smoke and mirrors masking thieir add and PD’s– and nor t expecting their partner to pick up th pieces. those are Larry’s Joanne. Let him put together his own jigsaw puzzle. that’s his job. not yours. I am tired of their burden’s becoming ours. enough.
I am glad you are in comfort zone for now though. things can always change. always do, with these types. much love to you
November 8, 2011 at 5:04 am #21663silver-liningParticipantLet me just sneak in here and add- YES, there is life after SA!! It is possible!! Even when (and especially when) its not even on your agenda or radar…. Boom… There is the NICE guy!!
Hey, it happened to ME, it can happen to you!! You just have to be available for it TO happen. (that’s the secret)
Not sayin it’s for everyone- but yep, I’m sayin it’s for me!! And I am soooooo happy!!! Really.
I need to post a big, long update – and I will- probably tomorrow or Wed! Tomorrow is our mediation day, so hopefully all the nasty details will be worked out by the end of the day!
Oh, did I mention SA got fired from his job (of 32 years) 5 fucking days before mediation??? Yep… You read that correctly.
No job = no blackmail…..
My best laid plans are now for naught. Back to the drawing board…. Un-effing-believable!!!
Love to all!!!
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