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October 1, 2013 at 5:52 pm #8409artemisMember
i realize that i’ve always had a hard time leaving relationships. i don’t know if this is cultural or what. in my culture, divorce is very rare and definitely frowned upon. my parents definitely have had their share of disagreements over the years but the example i always saw growing up was that when you’re in it, you’re in it. they don’t have my dream relationship or anything but they love and support each other, and i know they will always be there for each other and for their kids. they are solid, consistent, they express themselves emotionally.
why am i saying this?
because i am so fucked up.
i realize that in my relationships i have always needed a crisis to propel me to leave. sometimes i have created one myself and sometimes i have waited for the other person to do so. when i was in college, i cheated on my high school boyfriend (my first “serious” relationship – however serious they can be at that age – a 2.5 year relationship) because i fell out of love and didn’t know how to break up with him in a healthy way. i told him immediately. the goal was not to cheat and maintain the relationship. the goal was to break up. fast forward to my college boyfriend who i was with for about 6/7 years. i fell out of love, got bored, didn’t know how to break up since nothing was really that bad – so i left the country on a volunteer trip and ended up starting another relationship while i was there. it was an extremely shitty and cowardly thing to do and really broke my BF’s heart. same pattern, i told him within about two weeks of starting the relationship. after that i promised myself i would NEVER end a relationship by cheating again. and i haven’t. that was 13 years ago. in some ways i feel like having been in a relationship with an SA is karma coming back to bite me.
my next long term relationship (5.5 years) after that was the first relationship i would characterize as pretty unhealthy. in no ways abusive or violent, but i was with a guy who had all kinds of commitment issues and i did a lot of pushing him away wanting him to come after me. the patterns were very dysfunctional. i wanted to end the relationship, we broke up a number of times and kept getting back together. in the end i broke up with him because he cheated on me once, and then lied to me, about it. he admitted it within a few days, but i was very clear that what he did was egregiously wrong and somehow grounds for a breakup. i felt so free and relieved when we finally broke up. and so clear that cheating on me and lying to me about it was unacceptable, one of us had finally crossed a very clear boundary and i knew exactly what to do. a few months later i started dating my SAXBF. i had no idea about his addiction until we had been dating for 2 years, and only vague ideas about the cheating and lying. just kept feeling like something was off, and had lots of red flags. but he kept denying stuff, and i kept waiting for something awful to happen. i wasn’t really able to make a clean break in the relationship until it did – he didn’t come home one night. that was what i needed. that was over a year ago. while i had broken up with him a couple of times over other stuff, it never lasted. however it became easy as pie to kick him out after he didn’t come home that night- but still hard to disentangle my heart and understand what had happened. we split up, he “hit bottom” in my apartment, went into serious recovery and therapy, i got a disclosure last december, went no contact for about a month and a half, and then we started seeing each other again in feb. he was much more humble, in touch with his emotions, empathetic. he asked me to get back together with him in april. since then i realize i have just been waiting for something awful to happen. something decisive. even though i’ve had some more red flags – not of SA stuff, but just of regular behavior/attitudes that i don’t really like, and a lack of emotional intimacy in the last few months – i’ve been trapped in this mindset that i need a clear sign, like to know that he cheated or has been inappropriate with other women, before i have a real reason to leave. but why does it have to get there? why are my boundaries related to sex instead of just wanting and expecting to be treated right? why does anything short of cheating or inappropriate interactions with other women make me second guess my own reaction?
anyway, yesterday morning i broke up with him. i’ll say more about that soon because i am still trying to understand it in the context of this pattern. i needed something concrete to happen, but i broke up with him NOT for cheating on me. maybe a tiny step forward.
i am trying to stay strong and clear about it but this is uncharacteristic and an uncomfortable space for me, it doesn’t feel black and white, but i am really trying to trust my gut here. please send your prayers, i could use them right now.October 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm #111831moniqueParticipantI will pray for you Artemis. I hope you can get some clarity and peace now. Being in a relationship with an SA is the biggest mind screw you can get. Take it easy and be kind to yourself. Hugs
October 1, 2013 at 7:29 pm #111832artemisMemberthank you Monique
October 1, 2013 at 7:50 pm #111833katfParticipantHugs and feelies for ya Artemis. And I don’t know about all the other relationships but I know it’s always better to trust your gut. Mine was there telling me something was off even before he was cheating. If that isn’t enough there’s all of us here saying “run!”.
October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm #111834lizaParticipantSending you strength, dear girl!
“How much of human life is lost in waiting?” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
October 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm #111835teriParticipantHooray hooray hooray! Artemis, you deserve better. You do not have to sign up for a lifetime of this. You took a big step and ended it without out a crisis or an infidelity. Who wants to spend the rest of their lives waiting for a sign? What if finding out about his SA was it? Who cares? The only sign you need is the one in your gut.
Perhaps my celebrating is inappropriate? But I am so glad you chose YOU, Artemis. I am relieved that you are free!
October 1, 2013 at 10:14 pm #111836lynng2ParticipantYou really have put so much soul searching into this, and you did what was right for you even outside your pattern, so I say “Hooray!” for trusting that you don’t have to settle. A lot of sisters over the years have said it’s hard to leave when you are waiting for that things that undeniably cross the boundaries. I’m glad you pulled your line back to disrespecting you and your relationship, or views about relationships that will never mesh. Thats a big step from outright cheating. Means you value YOU and your values enough to stand up for them, not just fidelity. I am impressed.
October 2, 2013 at 12:02 am #111837katfParticipantHey Artemis I was reading this article today about how not to marry a jerk and part of it struck me as interesting and I thought of your question here about sticking it out in relationships longer than you should. Here’s the link. http://www.smartmarriages.com/uploaded/Avoid.Jerk.2004.pdf
The part that made me think of you was towards the beginning where he talks about the five bonding dynamics and what happens if the commitment one is higher than the others. I have always been a person who walked away from things when they didn’t feel right and got tired of being that person so I fully committed in this one. No matter what being subjected to an SA is not any of our faults. But I understand the soul searching about the past. Congrats about leaving. It is for the right reasons.
October 2, 2013 at 12:38 am #111838972MemberI will send prayers Artemis but you are without doubt doing the right thing. No one should voluntarily sign up for this at a young age (at any age). Maybe you have learned whatever the universe was trying to smack you over the head with and someone is out there waiting just for you.
A real guy 🙂
October 2, 2013 at 1:35 am #111839artemisMemberhey Katf – that was pretty fascinating. thanks for sending the article. i am saving it because i obviously have some work to do on my Jerk radar and my Commitment imbalance. Bev, Lynn, Teri, Liza – thanks for your support! consider me solidly smacked although i keep second guessing myself.
Lynn – this was really helpful “Means you value YOU and your values enough to stand up for them, not just fidelity”. Thank you. that sentiment and desire is exactly what i was having trouble seeing/articulating.
it’s been an emotional couple days. trying to stay focused on some work deadlines and having a hard time. also having cigarette cravings which i will probably give into later and a severe stomachache for the last two days. i guess a little wine should kill any bugs in my belly, right? 😉 one day at a time.October 2, 2013 at 2:50 am #111840972MemberA cigarette and some wine is a good trade off for getting free of an SA. Life is all about trade offs 🙂
October 2, 2013 at 3:16 am #111841kmfMemberThank God. You just raised your own bar, Artemis. When we discover they are cheating we are so gutted and the sexual arena assumes gigantic proportions. But as time goes on…we come to understand that NOT fucking around on your partner is just a basic rule for even being in a so called committed relationship. There is SO MUCH more above and beyond just fidelity that is important in a relationship. In the end,with enough time and effort, I think we eventually absorb EXACTLY what these men did to us and then the game is up… inside us. We see them for who they are and it is no longer about their cheating. Its about we just don’t like them anymore and once you don’t like a man you don’t usually go back to being madly in love with them? The vast majority of us would NEVER have married our husbands if we had known the truth. Once we hit the mother load, all we are really left with is shared history, children and joint finances.Tthere is no way any sane woman could love a man like these men. I mean, what is there to love?? Being cheated on, lied to, gaslighted, enduring fake promises and fake recoveries, not to mention the monumental effort required to try to understand the mental processes of a pervert or a sociopath or even a philanderer. No thanks. I don’t have enough life energy or time to waste on all that drama. You did the right thing Artemis. You will find a normal man and by the time you do you will understand who you are and what you want and need. Hugs Karen x
October 2, 2013 at 4:37 am #111842francineParticipantYou are so brave. You’ll get it all figured out eventually, what matters is you are on the right path towards a better life! Best to you sweetie!
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