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October 17, 2012 at 7:28 pm #5850
hurtandconfused
ParticipantAre you in a place currently that you are moving forward with your SA in a new relationship where you are trying to create intimacy for the first time or again? How is it progressing or not progressing?
October 17, 2012 at 8:19 pm #56165cbslife
MemberWe’re not that close yet, but the time will come. Right now we have been hugging, short little kisses, and for the first time in 2 and 1/2 years I finally said “I love you, too”. I know it sounds very slow and stupid, but it’s taken such a long time to get to this point and I can’t make any promises on how long it will be before we even sleep in the same bed together. I’m taking my time with my emotions and he has agreed to let me do that. He’s not pushing me at all and he is still working his program and showing very good progress. Our six year wedding anniversary is this Saturday. We are retired, although he still has to work to make ends meet. Our kids are grown and gone.
Hope this helps.
Claire
October 17, 2012 at 9:16 pm #56166lisak
Participantclaire, you are so brave. i admire and am in awe of a woman who can take that step. and caution is necessary, you are being very wise. and careful, and looking after yourself. well done, girlfriend.
intimacy with my h is unimaginable. i know deep in my body i will never be able to trust him in that way again. it’s a subconscious reflex, something that deeply entrenched in me. i can’t, because i don’t trust him. so sad.
that’s why i’m planning to leave.
October 17, 2012 at 9:57 pm #56167diane
ParticipantI wish I could give you something hurtandconfused. But in a strange way I understand. Last night I had a dream and my ex came towards me and I could see every detail of his face, even the smell of him (married 32 years) and I became terror stricken. He tried to kiss me and hold me I was completely panicked and trying to back away. And then it would start again–he would come toward me and I would try and get away. Finally I woke up. It wasn’t a dream, it was a nightmare. I never really imagined what it would be like to be close physically again, and there it was happening in my dream and I couldn’t stand it. I was afraid of him.
I think there is book written about “restarting” the sexual relationship with an SA/compulsive. But I think I don’t like the other writings of the author for some reason. I’ll try and and locate the name and title in case it works for you.
October 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm #56168diane
Participantwow that was easy. Now I don’t remember whether i’ve mixed up this person with someone else, so it may well worth a try to see if this book helps.
Erotic Intelligence: Igniting Hot, Healthy Sex While in Recovery from Sex Addiction by Alexandra Katehakis (Paperback – Apr 12 2010)
October 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm #56169972
MemberI just want to clarify..Are you talking about sexual intimacy or emotional intimacy?
October 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm #56170lynng2
ParticipantGreat question, Bev.
October 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm #56171joann
ParticipantI don’t want either with Larry–ever.
I feel so much better that way. ~ JoAnn
October 18, 2012 at 12:21 am #56172artemis
Memberi find both sexual and emotional intimacy with him to be somewhat out of reach right now. i desire both, but not necessarily with him. i do have sex with him occasionally now but it just doesn’t feel the same anymore and i don’t get the pleasure i used to get from it. emotional intimacy… he is showing up emotionally more than he has in a while, but it’s hard for me to imagine entrusting my heart and innermost thoughts/hopes/fears to a person who would bring other women into our house and screw them. and lie to me about it.
October 18, 2012 at 12:57 am #56173katmandew
ParticipantFate brought me to this post tonight as today my husband wanted me to “deep throat” him today when I got home from work…turns out thats what he was watching online before I got home. I made an excuse and left the room. I have seen so much crap this week that I’m not sure when I’m going to let him touch me. He has no idea that I felt like slapping him.
October 18, 2012 at 1:15 am #56174daisy1962
MemberSorry Katmandew but asking you to act out his porn has NOTHING to do with intimacy of any kind. Quite the opposite in fact. Does he do this often? Didn’t you say you don’t have a problem with him watching porn? You may want to rethink that. Sounds to me like he’s objectifying you.
October 18, 2012 at 1:21 am #56175artemis
Memberohhhh gross i am sorry. i agree with Daisy. he is substituting you as part of his addiction. you were right to walk away, kat. sorry to hear this, i know how painful it is.
October 18, 2012 at 1:21 am #56176teri
ParticipantYuk. I think slapping him would be too kind.
October 18, 2012 at 1:23 am #56177katmandew
ParticipantI din’t have a problem as I thought it was an occasional thing soft porn as my counselor puts it…and not crazy stuff. I am rethinking it my head is spinning…I am sure he has done this before I just didn’t know it.
October 18, 2012 at 1:27 am #56178katmandew
ParticipantWe have always had a highly charged sex life….so him talking dirty never bothered me but knowing he’s watching deepthroat videos and then asking me made me feel crazy.
October 18, 2012 at 1:33 am #56179barbra
MemberAfter my SAH came home from residential treatment, we were told to refrain from genital touching/contact for 90 days. Instead we were to focus on intimate touching in a non-sexual way. It was actually pretty powerful for both of us. Unfortunately we didnt last anywhere near 90 days, and physical intimacy hasnt been an issue for me, since my SAH has committed to transparency, my boundaries, and a strict treatment regimen.
Emotional intimacy is something that is extremely hard for both of us. However, since treatment my SAH has been way more available emotionally than I could ever be. He wants to check in, to talk, to process so much – he suggested yoga together, meditation, etc…now I mentioned once before that he is so “touchy-feely” now that if he tries to get me to go into the mountains with spandex and crystals I am so done..,. 🙂
It’s me who isnt ready to become emotionally intimate right now…
October 18, 2012 at 1:39 am #56180daisy1962
MemberIt makes me feel sick on your behalf. It’s disgusting (not the act itself but what lead up to it) and so demeaning to you. I agree with Teri, slapping him would be too kind. A deep kick would be more like it. Again, I’m so sorry but honestly I have my doubts that he’s “just” watching porn and even if he is just watching it, if he wants to act it out on you (not with you but on you) then when you say no what is he going to do? The collective stories of the sisters should give you the answer to that.
October 18, 2012 at 1:43 am #56181lisak
Participantkat,
your reaction is entirely justified! good instincts on that one! walking away, IMO, is the best reaction for these guys in most cases. i.e. give them no reaction, keep your self safe by removing yourself.
keep following those instincts and listening to your gut and feelings. they will protect you.. love, lisa
October 18, 2012 at 4:17 am #56182debinca
ParticipantKatManDew,
I think that you are on a slipperly slope with your SAH. Is he getting treatment from someone who knows what they are doing? I think that watching porn of any variety is not a good idea for someone who clearly can’t stop and whose sexual behavior has caused you heartache. Just a little “soft porn” here and there is like saying that an alcoholic can have a beer or two without any problem. The problem is that they can’t stop….and they escalate.
Deb
October 18, 2012 at 4:38 am #56183debinca
ParticipantI think that creating intimacy with your SA is a difficult task because most of them are SA’s because they fear intimacy. They go to hookers, fantasy girls, grannies, trannies and fannies because they don’t want to get too close to anyone. Many talk about how they don’t want to feel “trapped” (childhood stuff).
So – it’s like trying to have intimacy with someone who is phobic. I’ve heard that it has to be slow….like what Claire is doing. Like rebuilding the relationship from scratch. Geeezzzz….I don’t know if I have the stamina for that. I had a dream last night that I wanted to have an affair with a hottie – but I was afraid that my SAH would find out. I so wanted the hottie…..but the guilt was killing me. Interesting…
Deb
October 18, 2012 at 4:44 am #56184lisak
Participantdeb, i sense some shifts in you lately. i like to hear that you are focusing on your feelings, perceptions, needs… noticing that makes me happy.
October 18, 2012 at 5:20 am #56185cbslife
Memberlisacay, thank you for your comment and encouragement.
It’s difficult sometimes to talk about how well things are going with my h and I when so many of the ladies are leaving or still on the fence, leaning toward leaving.
I’m sure some of you think I’m crazy for staying, but every situation is different and I believe ours can and will work out and I have the time to give to it so why not give it a shot.
Even if it didn’t work out, I don’t plan on ever getting married again and it won’t be wasted time because he and I are very close, like best friends, and I will always cherish the memories we are making.
Thanks again for your support and kind words.
Much love, Claire
October 18, 2012 at 5:43 am #56186debinca
ParticipantThanks Lisa – and the dream about the hottie was amazing. I hope I see him in my dreams again tonight ;-0
October 18, 2012 at 5:47 am #56187debinca
ParticipantI can’t help but notice that the two SAH’s that are doing well are the ones that Dr. Minwalla worked with……Claire’s SAH and Bev’s. And Barbra’s as well. It seems that intensive can be very beneficial (if done for the right reason vs. for the court battle).
Deb
October 18, 2012 at 5:49 am #56188debinca
ParticipantBarbara’s SAH (if I remember correctly) went to Keystone in PA – but my computer wouldn’t let me edit it above.
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