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April 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm #4642victoria-lMember
I was reading the pube thread. It brought up some stuff for me. One of the most hurtful things my SA said to me was that he “unfortunently preferred all the 30 strippers’ vaginas” over mine. Why? because they were all waxed.
This was during some of the darkest days of his hidden relapse last year. His further explaination at the time was, “While I have said that I didn’t care on how you presented your hair, which is true, I do quite like the ‘brazilian’ look. Having said that, I did like how you had some hair, its just I have a slight preference for hair free. As for inside the lips and everything, yours would be the better one, because I never saw that part on any of the strippers, whereas I did with yours.”
Ick… I knew there was no love or respect for my body then, it was proof for me that he never did. It hurt so much, and I remember dying inside as a woman that night. I sat on the couch wrapped in my pink blanket crying, cold and shaking to the early hours of the morning. I was also purely shocked that I had even just had this type of conversation in my relationship.
I honestly hated myself, I felt there was so much wrong with my body. All the self-blame thoughts flooded me, maybe if I had been waxed all that time none of this would have happened, etc. (I certainly now know this wouldn’t have made a difference to his addiction).
Ironically, the day before I first found his hidden 700 video porn collection, I had actually, of all days, decided to finally wax for fun, as in for me to feel/look nicer… But because I didn’t straight away tell him about the discovery since I was confused on how to even address it, I kept my pain to myself and finishing waxing turned out being actually extremely cathartic that second day, ripping the wax off myself and everytime saying “Fuck you, you motherfucker!” to him in my mind. It sounds crazy, but I was already half done and I needed to finish the rest.
Anyway, the moment when I KNEW my body meant nothing to him, is a moment I’ll never forget. It was the biggest WTF moment and confirmation he was SICK and NOT HUMAN. To him, I was/am just “parts”, nothing at all special. Oddly enough, I also found that with his webcam sex, he actually kept a scoreboard of body parts he had interacted with on camera, not women, but body parts. Isn’t that twisted?
So after I died on the couch that evening, I wrote the nastiest vilest most vicious email to him I have ever composed – all about his physical flaws. I never even had issues with his looks before – I had always loved him because he was him. But every possible thing I turned into a negative. I made most of them up, just to hurt him and shame him like he did me. Even though it was mean-spirited – an act from a deeply wounded spirit – six months on, I can now actually look back on this insanity and feel PROUD of myself for kicking ass, even though I was intense pain and it’s not reflective of the normal nice-hearted person I am inside…
I had emailed him with:
“You’re disgusting. I hate you. You were never anything, nothing close to anything. You were nothing in my life, your were nothing. I feel you raped me. I feel sick, I hope I goddamn die tonight. I hate you. You liar. You fucking sick cheap stingy selfish fuck. Your perverted lying bastard. Your balls have lumps, your “penis” stinks and tastes foul like it’s rotten, your foreskin is a fucking freak, you’re long pubic hair is everywhere all over the apartment, your breasts are almost a B cup and you should book yourself in for a mammogram, your breath always reeks, your chin is non-existent, your feet are scab infected and have a constant stench, your nose is a fucking ski slope like it’s been chopped off, your teeth are a yellow stained wreck, you have more stretch marks than a pregnant woman, your skin on your face is full of craters, and you stink of BO. Our first kiss was disgusting, I think back to it and cringe. You never knew how to kiss. You never gave me an orgasm with sex. You’ve never given any woman an orgasm. You cannot provide for a family, you’re incapable, you’re not a real man. “Unfortunately”.
His response was:
“Wow. You asked me to tell you the truth, and my answer came down to being something as minimal as pubic hair, nearly everything else was in your favour. All the things you mentioned about me in your second paragraph, makes me think that you were never attracted to me in the first place. Also I do pick up on some things which I would consider lies, because you had told me that my foreskin looks fine, that I wasn’t overweight and you didn’t care about how I looked, that I had made you orgasm. I’m sorry that what I said really hurt you, but it is literally down to pubic hair, and I didn’t hate it on you.. What you have said to me is very confronting, and it really does make me question a lot more things now, because I never believed you would have thought those things, but they were obviously on your mind.”
Oh boy, welcome to my world, asshole!
I replied with:
“Feel nice? Is it the truth or is it a lie? Well, you’re the master of lies, figure it out yourself. Keep questioning, I hope you do for the rest of your entire life, every day, every aspect of everything of 9 years. You’ve only had a minimal dose of the shit you’ve done to me. What does tasting a tiny touch of your own medicine feel like? Absolutely I ask for the truth, but it doesn’t mean because it’s the truth it’s not highly disturbing and distressing. It’s not “pubic hair”, it’s my most private intimate part of myself I gave specially and only to you, my femininity, a sacred part of my life. You are so shallow. You chose strangers vaginas over your partner of 9 years, your lover and best friend, your real sexual partner, your future wife and mother of your child. I gave you the most special and private part of my body. Do you not understand?! You prefer strangers “unfortunately”?!? Thanks a lot. It’s unbelievable. It’s not “minimal”. How can anyone say that??! You really have no humanness to you, you see everyone as objects, you saw my body as an object. So worthless to you and underneath strangers. Strippers of all people. It proves you had no connection to me and can’t see or feel anything special in real life. The fact you can even reduce me, your partner of 9 years, to “pubic hair”, cut my vagina up to little pieces and then act as though it’s meaningless is mentally insane. There is something severely wrong with you. You are so far out of reality. Too far. Frightening far. You should feel frightened, because you’re extremely beyond the point of no return. Your mind is too warped and reduced to mush. You can’t be saved. I pity you. I feel sick and I have all night. I went into shock and was cold shaking for 4 hours. While you were sleeping. You ruined me. You monster. You are toxic and a demon inside. I was manipulated to give myself to you. I feel raped by you. I wish you had never touched me.”
Pretty sure all that went completely over his head!
Six months after though, he now currenly looks in the mirror and says he’s so self-concious about his ski-slope nose and non-existent chin. It makes him depressed just thinking about it. Boo hoo! I love it when he tells me about it, I think he wants me to feel guitly now, but I don’t, I feel GOOD about it. Even though it pales in comparison to the body image issues his addiction has given me, I am glad that I inflicted some lasting crap on him.
I’m not caring at the moment about my status of hair below, as I have no sex life and don’t plan to anytime soon, so I can just not bother for the time being. However, I do think all the porn images, naked women on nudist beaches, stripper flashbacks, and his icky words, will probably make me feel very uncomfortable ever being naked around a man in the future without being waxed. I do prefer it anyway, but I also think it is quite sad at the same time that it now would seem like a necessity for me.
April 13, 2012 at 9:00 pm #33898972MemberI have tears and I’m not a cry type. You summed it up perfectly for all of us. Small differences here and there but same basics…I am so sorry for all of our pain.
I may never have sex again ( I’m lying, I will)!
The image of you in your pink blankie hits too close to home.
God help us all…April 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm #33899silver-liningParticipantOh my, ladies!! I know I opened a can of worms on the shaving, waxing thing- and I really DO prefer it for myself and for me, it feels right. (absolutely NOTHING to do with SA crap).
But Victoria- OMG, thank you for sharing and I could completely relate to everything you said! (and Bev too). Everything. Pink blankie and all! (patio for Bev and I, but still….)
I appreciate you taking the time to share that and especially sharing the emails. Wow. You rock sister and he deserved EVERY word of it.
I hope someday, you feel better about yourself and that all your dreams come true! (SA free dreams!) You deserve to be cherished, loved, and respected as we ALL do!
That was an extremely personal post and again, thank you for trusting us enough to share. You guys are Sooo awesome!! XOXOXO!!!April 13, 2012 at 11:24 pm #33900deboraParticipantVictoria,
We didn’t get into much detail. What I imagined he was watching was bad enough. I don’t know if I really want to know everything.
But I did also unleash on my H, not in writing, but verbal rage an inch from his nose, anytime I needed to, including my dramatic impersonation of him jerking it and throwing a few things around the house. That was usually after trying to talk and his answering me like a ten year old. We did not criticize one anothers physique. It was more a character assassination. I don’t regret one thing I said.
I’m glad you got your rage out.
Love, Debora
April 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm #33901teriParticipantYour H sounds so much like mine in his emails. After he does or says something devastating and I reacted like a real human being would react to something so hurtful (as you did), he always plays all innocent- “Huh? What are you all mad about? What did I do? Look what a crazy, reactive critical bitch you are!” Not those exact words, but that was the message.
OMG, it is so crazy-making!
April 13, 2012 at 11:45 pm #33902972MemberI allowed 2 years of “crazy making”. I think that makes me angrier than him F’n hookers.
April 14, 2012 at 1:47 am #33903napParticipantI have nothing to do with mine and I know he hates it. He wanted to be ‘friends’ even after trying to screw me over til the bitter end. Im not the same person he used to know. Im not that doormat he used to walk all over and wipe his dirty shoes on. I really never care if I see or speak to him again. He made his bed now he can lie in it. He’ll never get to enjoy my company again and I was a lot of company.
April 14, 2012 at 2:12 am #33904marchParticipantSo glad we get to enjoy your company, Nap.
April 14, 2012 at 2:23 am #33905marchParticipantVictoria, I would also like to thank you for taking the time to post that. I hope it helped to get it out. It reminds me of all the times I’ve heard, “It was only sex. It didn’t mean anything.” My answer was always a rant on how I stayed faithful for 16 years, through all of it–the periods when he wanted nothing to do with me or when he was so moody and cruel it was hard for me to work it up or when he made me feel so unattractive that it would have been nice to have a man validate that I was sexy (or just human?)–that I never allowed myself the excitement of being with someone new–the planning, the looking forward to, the thrill of the unknown, and the sweetness of courtship. Meanwhile, he was getting this over and over, this “just sex,” this thing that “meant nothing.”
April 14, 2012 at 2:29 am #33906silver-liningParticipantMeeee too, Nap!! He’s the LOSER!!!
The crazy making is ridiculous! Like Teri said, push you to the freakin brink- then when you flip out, they act all innocent and look at you like YOU are crazy!! Once and only once, toward the end, as most of you know- I flipped the fuck out! Head spinning around, Carrie style, and called him everything but a white boy. And I mean EVERYTHING! He did the usual, condescending, patronizing, gas lighting, response. Then, I threw a couple things and he threatened to call the cops. I handed him the MF phone. He didn’t do it. Later, he had his lawyer draw up papers that I made him uncomfortable and threatened his safety. REALLY DUDE??
Lexie (a previous sister) was pushed to the edge and she almost went to jail!! At the least, she went (by force) to the hospital! Probably the mental ward! Ugh!!!
I’m with Karen. I really DO hate these fuckers!!! >:(
April 14, 2012 at 3:48 am #33907sharronParticipantI hate these f—er’s too. Tonight, I am having a difficult time. I think I am finally settled in my Condo with nothing left to do and I am feeling lonely. I keep going back to the times when it was so good-when he hooked me, made mad
passionate love to me, was totally into me (as I thought) and made me feel like I had met the love of my life.
But, that is not the reality of things. He was a lier, a cheat, and never did get into me – only in my dreams.
So, this too shall pass, and I will awaken in the morning with the full realization this was only a dream. One, that I wanted so much to be real-but it wasn’t, and I will go on from here making a new life for myself without the pain and trauma of my h making life miserable for me.
This too shall pass!April 14, 2012 at 4:55 am #33908zumbagirlMemberUgh, these guys can be such ASSHOLES. That’s what kills me about this so-called addiction. My dad was an alchoholic, and God knows it presented many problems. But he wasn’t a cruel asshole. What kind of douchebag opens his mouth and tells his WIFE how her nether regions compare to a stripper’s?? And the way you quoted him makes him sound so passive-aggressive. (Yeah, I know; what else is new??). Ugh, blah, puke. Sorry; excuse my French tonight. And Victoria; you’re right. The scariest thing of all is that all of what you said probably completely went over his head. What they have done sucks beyond words. The fact that most of them will never “get it” is almost enough to put us in strait jackets.
April 14, 2012 at 5:04 am #33909debincaParticipantVictoria,
I’m so proud of you! Your email to him was amazing. He deserved every last word. What a bastard! I can’t believe that he stooped so low.
I’ll never forget when I asked my husband what yoganana had that I didn’t….and he actually said “I hope that someday you can be like her”. Yuck. Yeah – a scriveled up 70 year old woman who screws married guys with four kids. And then the next day he yelled at the top of his lungs that my breast cancer was getting in the way of his life.
Good riddens. These guys are beyond sick. They deserve to die a slow, painful death – alone.
My friend Julie (she is a member here) did a SL-like head spinning routine – and her SAH actually called the cops and she had to spend the night in jail. She is the most level headed woman I know – these guys truly bring out the anger in us – no doubt. I remember the night that I hit the wall with my hand and then my SAH. It felt like I was being raped and I needed to fight back.
If we don’t fight back – then we aren’t human. I loved your letter, Victoria. Keep fighting for yourself.
Deb
April 14, 2012 at 11:05 am #33910marchParticipantGod, Deb. That might just beat all: “I hope that someday you can be like her.” Horrible, horrible man–who put you in danger when he hooked up with a woman who turned out to be a stalker! He didn’t/doesn’t know what she’s capable of. You know at the end of Fatal Attraction, when the wife shoots her husband’s crazy-fuck mistress? I always thought the ending would have been MUCH better if she’d turned around and shot her husband too.
April 14, 2012 at 11:05 am #33911marchParticipantGod, Deb. That might just beat all: “I hope that someday you can be like her.” Horrible, horrible man–who put you in danger when he hooked up with a woman who turned out to be a stalker! He didn’t/doesn’t know what she’s capable of. You know at the end of Fatal Attraction, when the wife shoots her husband’s crazy-fuck mistress? I always thought the ending would have been MUCH better if she’d turned around and shot her husband too.
April 14, 2012 at 12:09 pm #33912kmfMemberThats the whole thing girls….they ACTUALLY compare you to their assorted pathetic partners and find YOU lacking. When it comes to us, they have to FORCE themselves to stay on the straight and narrow, SETTLE for what they have with their family, or STRUGGLE to not do what they would really prefer to be doing? My,my I can certainly relate to concerns that they will morph into a better man with another woman- NOT! Who would want these jackasses? They have no idea how to love a woman or to how to even be human. They suck.
Karen xxApril 14, 2012 at 12:37 pm #33913teriParticipantkmf- I love your anger. I have a hard time accessing mine at times, so I admire your ability to get it all out. You are so right- who wants these assholes? We deserve better.
April 14, 2012 at 6:15 pm #33914kimberelyMemberI have nothing to contribute here since I kicked my H out Mar 10th…….shaving? What’s that? Hell I’m doing good to shower and brush my teeth some days!! :). If I have an accident and go the hospital God help those poor people who have to change me into a hospital gown. I can only imagine the look of sheer horror on their faces as my pants come off. I can only hope to be unconscious to not hear the screams and gasps as my shirt comes off and my under arms get exposed!! 🙂 😉
April 14, 2012 at 6:27 pm #33915anniemMemberI hear you, for-now. My to-do list seriously looks like it’s written for someone who just came out of a coma and is having to learn everything all over again. And half the time I don’t even do those things. In the beginning, I think shock propelled me forward more. But after 8 months, I feel like I’ve really regressed, or gotten stuck or something. Everything seems way too much of an effort. xoxo
p.s. Keep that great sense of humor, girl. 🙂April 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm #33916kimberelyMemberI can picture the dr or nurses saying DAMMNNNN GIRL!!! But being from Texas it’ll be more like “Poor thing, Bless her heart.”
April 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm #33917napParticipantFor now, I really loved your quote ” It’s a garden, let it grow”, I think it’s a classic!
Love, Nap
April 14, 2012 at 8:36 pm #33918kimberelyMemberNap, let’s just say the garden is way overgrown with weeds currently! Eewww. How sad is my life that I can’t even muster the energy to pick up a razor and shave my arms or legs? THANKS HUSBAND FOR ALL THAT ‘CAN DO’ SPIRIT YOU LEFT ME WITH!…….NOT!!!!!!!
April 14, 2012 at 9:58 pm #33919972MemberIf it continues we will declare a national shaving day!! Everyone must participate. You may end up in that hospital and you certainly don’t want that hot young intern to say “Bless her heart”
April 15, 2012 at 2:03 am #33920kimberelyMemberBev they’ll be looking at all the hair and need to do a double take looking at my face to say yep, she’s a female!
April 15, 2012 at 2:49 am #33921972MemberI understand! I’m considering showering on the patio 🙂
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