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  • #4586
    debinca
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    Hello all,

    It’s time that I get out of denial land. I have PTSD and I have it bad. I have bad dreams at least once a week, can’t sleep, have lots of triggers/flashbacks and can’t focus. I have a part-time job that I’m just going through the motions on. I need to get a full-time job but I don’t have the energy or focus to find one. I’m doing OK with the kids, but they overwhelm me sometimes (the triplets like to fight).

    I’m in a bad way. The trauma workshop that I took helped somewhat (I feel like the weight of my childhood stuff is lessened) but I still have the SA stuff looming over me. I upped my Lexipro dosage (from 10 to 15mg) which seemed to help a bit yesterday.

    Any advice?

    Will it get better or worse if I separate from my SAH?

    Deb

    #32633
    victoria-l
    Member

    Hi Deb,

    I find I my PTSD symptops become more intense when I spend more time around my SA. Especially the flashbacks. They seems to lessen/calm down slightly if I spend a week without seeing him. He is essentially a trigger for me. But I mean, I do still get triggered while out and about on my own, but I’d say my hypervigilence certainly reduces to a level that I can at least semi-cope with and avoid having a total complete massive breakdown. When my PTSD is at it’s worse, I feel like my mind is fractured into a million shaking painfully trapped pieces. I feel like I’ve snapped and can’t think, move, breath. It feels so debilitating!

    We are separated, and haven’t lived together for over 1 year now – I left after discovery. My PTSD is so very bad since, I can’t imagine how it would have been if I had stayed living with him. I’d probably be dead by now, I honestly don’t know how I would have coped with it being stronger. But I imagine if I fully leave him entirely, or he leaves me (which is what his active addiction currently wants) I think my PTSD would eventually improve because I’d finally be out of the ongoing trauma and emotional captivity. That is essentially what us partners are in… It’s not a single traumatic event, as if it’s all over once we have discovery/disclosure, it’s ongoing prolonged trauma…. and that’s why I believe the trauma model therapists, at least Dr Minwalla, consider many partners’ experiences to be more along the lines with Complex PTSD. Did he talk much about this in the ISH partner intensive? Once we’re out of the prolonged trauma, I assume it would seem some of the symptoms would improve/reduce with dedicated therapy work? I’d love to know others insights about this, especially those who have left their SA’s for good.

    My advice would be to learn some relaxing breathing techniques to get you through tough moments once you’re triggered. It’s helped me a lot when I feel like I’m going to lose my mind, or if I’m nervous about going somewhere that I know will have a lot of triggers. Also, in that type of situation where you know you’ll be triggered and can’t avoid it, it’s good to pre-plan ways to cope, eg. a powerful sentence or affirmation you can repeat in your head, some distraction techniques, carry a special meaningful photo that you can look at – one that will make you feel safe, happy, loved etc. Things like this are not going to stop/cure your PTSD, but they will help you manage it.

    There’s also a phone app that has been a blessing for me, PTSD Coach, it’s from the Dept of VA. You can track your symptoms in a neat graph and they have exercises you can do depending on what’s happening. Also if you haven’t already, read Barb Steffen’s book and also the PTSD Sourcebook which JoAnne kindly offers on SOS.

    Love Victoria.

    #32634
    debora
    Participant

    Ongoing trauma and emotional captivity……hmmmm.

    Those words really capture the invisible wounds. Your description of your PTSD reminds me of me. Sharing here in this depth offers us all a mirror to our experience so we know we are not crazy and we are not alone. And that there was a beginning and there can be an end. Thankyou for sharing this, Victoria.

    It’s not always easy to say that we vomit, are insomniacs or have isolated ourselves and can’t find our way out of the house.

    I do believe that this is a process that takes time and we will all find our way through it.

    Bless you all wherever you are,

    Love, Debora

    d

    #32635
    pam-c
    Participant

    Dear Deb,

    I think sometimes when we attend workshops or are really going to some intense therapy, it can bring up wounds and pain. It can almost re traumatize, in a way. As we re-visit old wounds that need healing.

    Returning to emotional mayhem of life with Sa after a workshop like that, probably not the best landing, so to speak. try to focus on you, what your needs are here.

    My shrink was going to recommend going out on short term disability leave for 4 to 6 weeks. I never did end up taking it. But, your job (if you have been there a year or more, even if part time) is protected under FMLA. they have to hold your job for you if need time off. PTSD is a serous health condition that can be covered for protected time off from work.

    just a thought. in case you need it. I wish I had done it. we are not machines.

    #32636
    anniem
    Member

    Deb, you’re pretty damn amazing to be raising triplets, period. And I think you said you have another child as well? Holy moley.. That would be enough to deal with just by itself. Working full-time would be a helluva lot to take on right now. You’re already working overtime just being a mom. The other sisters have given great advice. When Pam said, ‘PTSD is a serious health condition’ it sort of hit me like a lightning bolt. Because maybe we tend to minimize it to ourselves, or think we’re exaggerating. But she’s right.. It really is serious and needs taking care of, and I hope your own therapist works from the trauma model. I know with four young kids there isn’t much time for relaxation, but try to think of one thing to do every day for yourself that soothes you..a hot bath, some mindless TV, listening to music.. It doesn’t make the problem go magically away, but it can help you shift a little to focusing on you in those moments. I am so sorry for your suffering. xoxo

    #32637
    liza
    Participant

    Deb, fwiw, my mother delivered 3 children over a 29 month time span and came t-h-i-s close to suffering a nervous breakdown. Seriously, I truly don’t know how you have come this far with your mind intact. And that’s just with the 4 kids, not to mention the health issues and, of course, the bastard husband. You ARE a superwoman. Don’t let anyone tell you different. Love, Liza

    #32638
    debinca
    Participant

    Thanks all. Yes, I had 4 children within 20 months, and I was 40 when I had the triplets. It’s been tough.

    SAH and I had a nice day at the beach today. After a sleepless night last night for me, he came home at noontime and said that he saw how worn out/sad I was, and that he is going to stop being a petulant teenager and do the formal disclosure. Yeah!! The rebellious teen has been a bit too much to handle lately – glad he dropped it for an afternoon. He then took me to the beach and we had a nice time. Sometimes it’s so nice to forget about all the SAH stuff and pretend that it never happened. He was in his empathetic “I was such an idiot” mood, which is a nice change from the blame game.

    Thanks for the tips. I’m going to breathe, start exercising, and relax.

    Dr. Minwalla kept talking about complex PTSD – I didn’t know the difference between regular PTSD and complex….time to go read the difference.

    Heidi (Hadj) is at Dr. Minwalla’s partner’s intensive right now – Day 1. I hope she is having a good session!

    Deb

    Deb

    #32639
    sandy
    Participant

    I am so sorry. The trauma is so debilitating. I cannot imagine going through it with triplets. Antidepressants helped me, but you are already doing that. I just wanted to post to caution you about disclosure. I know in some ways you want to know the details. With your PTSD already so severe, I worry about how a disclosure will affect it. For me, the times that I learned more about what my H was doing made it all so much worse. I couldn’t stop crying, and whenever I brushed my teeth my gag reflex was so sensitive I would start retching and couldn’t stop.

    For some, disclosure might have been freeing (maybe?) For me, it worsened the PTSD. Be prepared. Have some things in place to help take care of you afterwards. Maybe a counselor visit. Time with a friend who knows and understands. Whatever supports and helps you. Maybe time apart from your H until you can handle seeing him. It’s different for everyone.

    Take care.

    #32640
    sandy
    Participant

    I am so sorry. The trauma is so debilitating. I cannot imagine going through it with triplets. Antidepressants helped me, but you are already doing that. I just wanted to post to caution you about disclosure. I know in some ways you want to know the details. With your PTSD already so severe, I worry about how a disclosure will affect it. For me, the times that I learned more about what my H was doing made it all so much worse. I couldn’t stop crying, and whenever I brushed my teeth my gag reflex was so sensitive I would start retching and couldn’t stop.

    For some, disclosure might have been freeing (maybe?) For me, it worsened the PTSD. Be prepared. Have some things in place to help take care of you afterwards. Maybe a counselor visit. Time with a friend who knows and understands. Whatever supports and helps you. Maybe time apart from your H until you can handle seeing him. It’s different for everyone.

    Take care. Sandy

    #32641
    972
    Member

    Here is my 2 cents for whatever it’s worth. When a ” normal” person hears the phrase PTSD, they sort of automatically think of a soldier that has been in a war zone. No one remote sane would think that sending that soldier back to the warzone would be helpful. Well, we live in the war zone!! Triggers are everywhere… My h can make a simple statement about the price of gas and I have a breakdown hissy fit about the price of hookers!! I cannot lessen trauma symptoms while still engaged in the trauma. Rape victims do not eat dinner with their attackers!!! Anyway, however you can, create space for you and a ” time out” word or signal. I am stil on my back patio and my H is not allowed put here unless I say so. He is not allowed in my bedroom without my ok …. It isn’t perfect but it’s what I have for now. God Bless you Deb ( and all of us). Take a break from the trauma and find you a peaceful safe place:)
    Bev

    #32642
    debinca
    Participant

    Sunny,

    Thanks for that. I don’t expect that I’ll have the disclosure for at least a month or two. What my SAH doesn’t know is that it will take time for him to do it. He asked me yesterday what it entailed and I said “I don’t know….ask Tim (CSAT)”. I do know that it takes at least a few sessions with a CSAT for him to develop it. I’m hoping that in going to a CSAT (which he really doesn’t want to do) will show him that he needs to work on his addiction in addition to his trauma. One step at a time.

    The CSAT that he is going to (he also ran the trauma workshop that I went to last week), is very good and is a SA himself. He runs groups (I’m hoping that my husband goes to those). The only bad thing is that Carnes trained him (yuck) although he knows and respects Dr. Minwalla.

    He insists that the partner also go into therapy (with a therapist that he works with for partners) to prepare for the disclosure so I should be covered.

    The really annoying thing about my SAH right now (and there are many) is that he truly doesn’t view going to prostitutes and CL ads as part of his problem. He says that he knows when four things come together (weak women/ in need/etc.) that he can’t stop. He has a long way to go in understanding his addiction but is being stubborn and won’t go to anyone but his trauma therapist (who isn’t an addiction specialist). I know that I should be grateful that he’s seeing anyone and I would hope at some point she’ll hand him over to someone to address his addiction, but it seems like it’s taking forever. Life is short. I don’t want to live with a guy that is in and out of denial forever and thinks that sexting isn’t a big deal.

    Thanks for all the tips on dealing with PTSD. I’m normally a take charge, go getter, high achieving person and this has stopped me in my tracks. It’s like I’m trying to run through mud up to my knees. I keep getting stuck.

    Lately I’ve been getting triggered about being stalked. (my SAH’s last granny “f buddy” stalked me in coffee shops and stores). I saw a movie the other day where someone was being stalked and it really triggered me.

    Thanks all – it’s nice to know that I’m not alone.

    Deb

    #32643
    diane
    Participant

    Why should you be “grateful” that he’s seeing anyone (therapist)? He’s not doing you any favours, Deb. He’s a sick fucking lying bastard whose life is a piece of shit and you are the only real authentic thing in it. He should be on his knees grateful to you for every moment you are in this relationship, good or bad. He should be pinching his slimy skin every minute of every day that you are there. He should be on his knees thanking God for any therapist willing to let his sorry ass into the office.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion.

    #32644
    pam-c
    Participant

    Dear Bev.

    wow. what great points on PTSD. Gosh why is it so hard for us take our health seriously? I mean we expect ourselves to just soldier on, keep it all together. Would we expect that of a rape victim? or a soldier who just returned from a bomb squad?

    Yet we expect ourselves to continue to highly perform at our careers, at our homes, with our children. AND still be exposed to the very things that caused the PTSD in the first place. No wonder we are broken down and crying out of no where. Or, feel depressed. Who in God’s creation wouldn’t be!

    oh it makes me mad. how our pain is dismissed. and how I even minimize it myself at times.

    after d day. I felt like I had been in a car crash. A very fuzzy disconnected feeling, like my head was not attached to my body. uncontrolled crying. hyper vigillance as far as his behavior, computer, std worries. and it lasted for weeks! not days!

    and you know what? now that I am leaving him? I have been experiencing some of the pain of the original wound. It’s like these past 22 months, have been a stall, a delay of the consequence of the original blow. attempts at recovery. in and out. then substance abuse. then just abuse. and then ,and then and then….the rollercoaster went. but it’s back at the starting point. time to get off the ride. but the original wound, is still there. it was nice to forget about it awhile. play normal for awhile. think that H wasn’t so bad for awhile. think it would be nice to have family in tact, and win the battle for that. for awhile. but the story remains the same. unchanged. and the wound has been dealt.

    #32645
    972
    Member

    Yes Pam!! You are so right and doing the right thing (IMO). I am staying ( letting him stay) because I am too crazy right now to make decisions… Hence the patio!! Everything you described is exactly how I feel. AA crazy as I am right now I still have the feeling that we are dealing with some really sick guys. It’s just downright scary. There is something very wrong with men that act this way and it not my fault…. You should have heard the crap he threw at me to blame me for everything before I found out about his “secret life “. Normal people don’t do that.

    #32646
    pam-c
    Participant

    Bev,

    I understand. Sometimes when all seems topsy turvey, even our selves, the best solution seems to be stay put. I think of it like when we were children, and perhaps got lost or seperated from a parent, what do they tell us to do? stay in one place so someone can find you. right now your place is the patio. mine used to be the couch in the den.

    the weird thing with this Bev, and it may sound corny, is that we find ourselves. there’s no knight in shining armour waiting to swoop in and make it all go away. we just one day, make a decision. and that is that. and we find what we needed all along was there — embrace yourself today. hold her. and love her. He can never do that in the way that you need Bev. they are indeed ill. frightfully so. I hope you move off the patio when you are ready.

    #32647
    kmf
    Member

    Yes, Bev…sort of like what Diane said? Karen xx

    #32648
    972
    Member

    Dear Pam,
    You will probably never know how much that helped me. I’m in a bad place right now ( my grandmother passed away, my son fractured his knee, and my H cheated on me for 19 years). I’m feeling a little sorry for myself and pretty hopeless ( oh, and let’s not forget to mention my mother is a NUT and driving me crazier!). Anyway, your words were like the cool rag on my forehead when the fever is raging. Tears are rolling and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
    Bev

    #32649
    pam-c
    Participant

    well I am just glad that you feel a bit better — the right words at the right time– i have found many a moment on this site that has helped me get to a better place.

    you have a lot going on. if you can take a drive or a walk, just to get out and clear your head, i have found that it helps. just a change of atmosphere sometimes, is worth its weight in gold. there is no way, someone can really console the pain of waking up in your marriage and finding so much of it was deceit and betrayal. whether its 2 years or 40, at some point we have to decide whether any more of our precious time is going to go into it or not.

    I mean I don’t have a crystal ball. I can only share from own experience. And at one point, boy was I sad and feeling hopeless all the time.

    Then one day Bev. It turned to anger. I was pissed off that i was dealt the hand that I was dealt. I was so mad I couldn’t even feel sorry myself anymore. That anger is actually al healthy one. It gave me the strength to make tough calls. One day, Bev, when the dust settles and you are looking over the patio, and your H isn’t playing ball with you for 100th time. Look out. Here comes Bev.

    #32650
    debinca
    Participant

    Bev,

    Thanks for you advice (just read it). Yes, I need to find my patio. I really don’t have a place that is all mine – with no kids or SAH. I need to find that.

    Pam – you are so right. I realized this weekend that I need to take care of myself (including my wounded little girl and baby) – as I have been dependent on my SAH to do that. It’s great to focus on yourself as we can do a MUCH better job than any SAH could ever do in that role.

    Deb

    #32651
    hurtheart
    Participant

    I understand exactly how you feel. I still have to live with my “thing” and it’s like living with a person who raped you. Constant flashbacks, etc. I never get a moment to myself because I need to take care of my 3 year old. It’s been 2 years since d-day, and I finally was able to find the time to go to a therapist. I’ve been seeing her for about 3 weeks and was officially dx’s with PTSD, depression and panic {I’ve had panic for more than 10 years, so that wasn’t a surprise}. I took a series of tests that gave us this information. So I am now slowly working on it, although I’m only in the infant stages. I do find that quiet time to myself sometimes doesn’t help, because once I have a chance to think about things, it all comes flooding back like a tsunami. But Im sure that will change {at least I hope}

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