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    cynge
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    If you make it to the end of this, go grab a cookie or something, you deserve it! It’s long and likely also more detailed than you really need but it helped to get it all down!

    This wasn’t the first time I’d caught him. Not even the third or the fifth. I’ve lost count. This wasn’t even the first time I’d kick him out of our house. The last time I kicked him out, he “did all the right things.” He went to meetings, he got counseling, he got “sober.” He stayed mostly sober for 2 1/2 years, “only breaking it with the occasional masturbating.” His words.

    This time.

    I was checking our iTunes account; there was a chat app one we don’t use one I knew he had used a similar one before. I borrowed his phone. I found the chat app, still installed. I steamed all day, so mad that this was happening again. After the kids were in bed, I told him we had to talk. I asked him, “Do you have something to tell me? Anything?”

    He’s not stupid, he knew what I meant. He denied having anything to talk about. I showed him the app on his phone. He, of course, denied it. Said he tried it one might when he was supposed to be throwing up. And didn’t find anything interesting so quit.

    A few days prior, he had filled his ED prescription. He accidentally took half (thinking it was a daily and not a use as needed). That night he was all over me. Creepy. Actually used the line “Well, I took it and I don’t want to waste it.” He couldn’t (or now I see, wouldn’t) understand when I said “Really? You haven’t paid attention to me in over a month? And suddenly you are all over me and you expect me to
    WANT to have sex with you?” it was the first night in months where he came to bed with me, but didn’t stay there.

    The next night I took a shower. I don’t know why I checked the bottle. But I did. My gut is smarter than I give it credit for. I need to listen to it more. Sure enough, another pill was missing.

    Down the stairs I went. “You stupid son of a … Get out. Get out now.” I threw the bottle at him. And it snowballed from there. Denial. He took it to masturbate. That’s it. He was feeling depressed and wanted to feel good. Typical.

    I was exhausted and by 2:30 am, I banished him to the couch and I went to bed to cry. He didn’t go anywhere. We decided that night that from now on, we would sit at night and talk about our feelings, talk about any tough times he was having. I knew he was having them. We hadn’t been connecting at all. He wasn’t coming to bed with me. He was super exhausted all the time. I knew something was up. But I was too tired, to emotionally exhausted to go through it again. Again.

    We did sit down. Every night after that. He told me enough truth to be convincing. Oh how gullible I was, listening again to my heart and not my gut.

    We left for a visit to his parents. He kept complaining about how tired he was (he often has issues staying awake while driving). I drove most of the way while he napped. And I drove AND entertained the kids. He was absent most of that drive. The visit was fun, at the time. Oh, hindsight.

    The return trip home, in a word: nightmare.

    About an hour and a half from home, my oldest has my iPhone in the back of the van. The oldest and husband make a potty run. I grab SAH phone to send a message to his mom to let her know we are running late. When I search for Facebook, another app comes up as a top hit. A telephone app. One we don’t use. And so, I go searching for it. And I find it, hidden in his “Books” folder. Weird. My gut is going crazy. Right beside it is Google voice. We use that. But that’s a weird place for it to be. I open it. There’s chats. A lot of chats. Chats that have happened in the last month when he was supposed to be talking to me. Valentine’s Day. The day he did nothing for me because he was so busy at work he didn’t have time. The phrase: “orgasms galore” glares at me from the screen I don’t have time to read more, he’s back from the bathroom break. He lied. Again. Repeatedly.

    Begin my least proud moment as a mom. I flipped out…in front of my kids. Told him to get out, I didn’t care how he got back home, but it wasn’t going to be with us. I was mad. I said a lot of things. I even threatened to call the police if he didn’t get out of the van. My oldest, tears streaming down his face begged me not to put his Daddy in jail. The worst moment, my sweet sensitive boy says, “Mommy, Daddy keeps saying sorry, please just can’t you just forgive him!”

    Heart breaking.

    We drive home together. Me: berating and angry, spewing venom and demanding he get out. And he’ll never see any of us again. I’m done.

    He cries, bangs his head. Insists it was only once that I saw. It was just a slip. I call a friend, crying. Ask her to meet us at home. She says of course. And she’s there when we get home.

    He packs and leaves. The kids go to bed. I go down to my best friend and cry. And tell her everything. Everything that I’ve been keeping to myself for years. It all comes spilling out.

    Later I get access to his deleted accounts. I think I should be a PI, or maybe I was in a past life! I can find anything. I find out not only has he been lying to me with his “enough information” during our talks to sound real. He’s been talking to this girl, a lot. Cybersex. Phone sex. I can see the chats. I can see the calls. Why was he so tired on our drive? Oh, he’d been on the phone with her until 6 am. I got him up at 7:30 to leave. Yah, no idea why he’s so tired, my butt. I read the chats, I scream at him more. He had lied to me again. Told me it was once, Valentine’s day. No. It was almost every day, even while we were visiting his family. In fact, he sent her a kiss emoticon ON our drive home, while I was 1 foot from him.

    He’s living in a motel. I’m at home dealing with kids who cry and miss their Daddy. And of course I cry. A lot. And he has asked what I want. I don’t know. I just know we can’t go back to the way we were. But where do we go from here?

    He is back at SA meetings, 3 times a week. Going to church again. Praying regularly. Writing. Trying to let me in. He’s told our inner circle of friends, which he’d always been against. He’s working on Recovery Nation. Has looked into inpatient and outpatient care. He seems to be doing all the right things.

    But I don’t know what I want. When my children are crying and begging for their Daddy, I want to fold. Bring SAH home so they don’t hurt so much. But if this isn’t a lifelong life change, how do I tear him out of their lives again. Right now I’m “mean Mommy” but they love me. I can’t do this to them again. I can’t bear the thought that my daughter could grow up looking for a man like the addict part of him. Or worse looking for love in all the wrong place. I can’t bear having my boys grow up and think this is a mature, responsible way to deal with emotions and stress.

    I don’t know where we go from here. For now I muddle through. And look to others who have gone before me, for support, for advice and for guidance.

    Thanks! 🙂

    #30218
    liza
    Participant

    Dear Cynge, I am so terribly sorry for the hell you’re sitting in right now. Please focus above all on taking care of yourself and your children – we’ll be here to help in any way you need. Love, Liza

    #30219
    katt
    Member

    cynge wow you have been through so much. i to know how it feels to lose count. you need to take care of you now. how old are your children, are they aware of what is going on ? i have children and i know they know more than i thought, they also tend to look at me for answers. they kindof follow my lead. please take the time you need hes going to do what hes going to do.
    much love katt

    #30220
    nap
    Participant

    Hi Cynge,
    Thank you for sharing your story; it takes a lot of courage to do so.  I’m so sorry for the repeated traumas your SAH has caused you and your family.  Its a very difficult addiction to live with and to have.  Trust becomes a big issue and it’s very difficult to have a healthy relationship with anyone without trust, especially a spouse.

    I hope you have a therapist just for you to help you cope.  It’s so important to put your energy and time into yourself if you can.  Only he can help himself by choosing to get the right help and to work recovery.  

    Thinking of you and hoping you find the clarity to make healthy decisions for yourself and your children.

    Love, Nap

    #30221
    ksondy
    Participant

    Cynge,
    I am so sorry for all your pain. I hope you can find some comfort here.

    One thing you said really stood out to me…

    ” And he has asked what I want. I don’t know. I just know we can’t go back to the way we were. But where do we go from here?”

    No… there is no going back. I try to tell myself this is a good thing. The real “back” was a bad place of lies and deceit. But my reality of “back” is a place I never was and never will be. Sometimes all the sensible logic in the world doesn’t make me feel a damn bit better.

    It sounds as if his “mostly sober” has been “mostly not.”

    My H is doing “all the right things” but I still live in a state of parania. Always on high alert. Always in fear that he WILL go “back.” Or that he’s never really stopped and I am just being fooled. We wee planning a poly this month because I need some form of reassurance. But an unexpected $1700 dental bill may delay that. I hope not. Is this something you can consider in order to get some gauge as to where things have been since his so called sobriety began?

    I know how awful kids can make you feel. I am helping my oldest daughter pick out her prom dress. I saw this really pretty dress and told her, “If I ever had another wedding, I’d want that dress.” My stepdaughter said, “Don’t say that!! The last time I thought you and Daddy might get a divorce, I had nightmares!” Part of the reason I stay is for them.

    I think you are smart for not wanting to confuse the kids. Maybe you should consider having him stay out until more permanent decisions are made and more substantial progress?

    #30222
    lylo
    Participant

    Cynge, so sorry for this nightmarish confusion. How can it be that the one person we counted on to be our lover, our friend, partner, and protector could betray us so badly. You have good instincts and as Kim said, he should probably stay out until you have some clarity. I will pray for clarity for you and every woman on this site because with clarity comes resolution and peace about which fork in the road to follow XX Lylo

    #30223
    silver-lining
    Participant

    Amen, Lylo!!
    Cynge,

    Sounds like the smart ladies have about covered it! Thank you SO MUCH for sharing!! (I even got a cookie out of the deal!!) 🙂

    Like wise Nap said, it takes a lot of courage to share! We hear you, sister! We have all been there/are there/will BE there! Fortunately and unfortunately, that is the beauty of this site and I am so happy you have found us! No post or story is too long if you need to get it out! That’s what we are here for! Sometimes, you can recognize just how ridiculous the situation really is when you read your own words in black and white. That alone, helped me tremendously with my own situation. I’m sorry your SAH continued to LIE, LIE, LIE!! Ugh!! So typical of these guys! They have such serious issues. It’s quite sad, to say the least!
    I really like the advice of a good therapist just for YOU! You deserve it and you’re gonna need it, sister! Mine helped me through my darkest days, along with the sisters whom I feel I owe my life to!

    Keep posting! Take care of you and the kids first and foremost! And I agree, keep him OUT until things settle down and you have time to think straight! (and take all the time you need). This is your show now- do what you have to do to be safe. “Safe” takes on a whole new meaning when dealing with an SA. But you know what- he made this bed, he can lay in it until you are good and ready to deal with him. Don’t rush. I know you have kids to think about- but your future is at stake here. If you make it too easy to come home, he will think he can get away with it. Perhaps he can come by for visitation with the kids but that’s it?? Just throwing out some ideas.

    He has lied so much- don’t believe ANYTHING just yet. Time will tell. You’ll know when you are strong enough to deal with him. In the meantime, my thoughts and prayers will be with you! Let us help!

    Love,

    SL

    #30224
    march
    Participant

    Dear Cynge, I don’t have anything to add, except that I hope you’ve gotten some relief from having the secret out to friends and family. It was so hard on me, living his lie. I was protecting him and not myself. Once people knew, it was an enormous weight lifted–and I hadn’t even realized how heavy it WAS until it was gone. One important thing I’ve learned is that just because HE lives a lie, it doesn’t mean I have to. No more of that for me. No more of that for you. Sending love and strength your way.

    #30225
    hadj608
    Participant

    cynge
    sa’s brains are in their pants, sa’s partners brains are in their hearts. Good job listening to your head this time. Don’t let your heart confuse you. I’m impressed with how you handled it. What you did was exactly what you should have done. I think we become so immune to the incredibly f*cked up mess we are in that we doubt ourselves when we do what is right. You sound strong, now let your kids see that. Advice I wish I had a year ago, stop trying to fix him, this is his mess let him own it. You know he is missing out on a wonderful wife and family, he has to want it more than he wants his sex. Kicking him out might wake him up.

    And when I have tantrums I realized that it is more about my head and heart fighting then it is about his behavior. So destructive to ourselves ~ really doesn’t affect them at all.
    *I was packing lunches yesterday and threw a pb&j sandwich at him….missed, hit the chandelier and landed on the table in front of my daughter, later that day she said “mom he should probably move out”. Everybody gets it, except him.
    Heidi

    #30226
    diane
    Participant

    Hy Cynge,
    wow, that one was really tough to read and I’m sure it was hard to tell. I’m just so so sorry you’ve been put in such an unfair position, and that it is affecting your children.
    1. Really really agree witht the advice you get some professional support for YOURSELF. It’s like the oxygen mask on the plane—you have to put one on yourself before you put it on your children, to ensure you don’t pass out.
    2. Use the counsellor to have a conversation with your children about what’s going on with only the detail that’s appropriate. If they can hear about the problem without your hysteria, in a non-explosive situation, they can imagine they will be all right. Of course they want everything to stay the same—but they don’t know what that means. What they need is a routine for seeing him etc. that they can understand.
    3. Don’t pay attention to his recovery program. It’s his. Your whole job is to look after yourself and be a good mother. That’s it. What he does or doesn’t do is a drama not of your making and not of your fixing. Don’t set times by which he has to do this or that, because all they do is lie. Just tell him he’s out until he’s better.

    Thank you for letting us into your life, and I hope you know that we just say what we say, and you can take it or leave it.
    lots of light for you
    Diane.

    #30227
    debinca
    Participant

    Cynge,

    Thanks so much for sharing your story. We feel your pain, sister….we’ve all been there (and many of us are still in it).

    The name “Cynge” reminds me of the “singe”….you have been “singed” by the flame, but not burnt. You protected you and your kids from further pain. Don’t trust a thing he says until he’s in serious recovery for at least 3 months.
    Take care of yourself and keep safe.

    If you have insurance, join Hadje at ISH (Dr. Minwalla’s) intensive for partners of SAs in April in LA. It’s a wonderful session – it’s like a year’s worth of therapy in one week specific to partners of SA’s.

    Take care – and I hope to get to know you better on this board.

    I know how difficult all of this is with kids. I have four (three 11 year olds and a 13 year old). It breaks my heart for them to have to deal with the aftermath of this.

    Deb

    #30228
    pam-c
    Participant

    Dear Cynge,

    You are not mean. You are delivering consequences for violating the marriage,you and your family. Discipline can seem mean. If I give my 6 yr old a time out — I am “mean.”
    It’s not mean. It is loving and appropriate discipline and enforcement of your boundaries. good for you!

    It has been my experience that they don’t change. I can’t speak for all. Children can see dad in a more formal separation agreement or divorce. The parents must decide. Or sometimes, it is just us who decides.

    For me, and I can only speak for me, mine can pray all day long. to me, it don’t mean a thing….he did what he did. and wants the behavior to continue.

    kicking him out i am sure has scared him so. it should. sometimes periods of separation are necessary in this. I think they are essential. They need time to man up. on their own for their crap. and we need time to heal. i don’t know what your financial situation is, but perhaps, a custody/visitation arrangement could be made. they should see their Dad. no reason not to. legal separation may be a good way to go while you give it time.

    if you let him back in too soon, they easily fall back into their old habits. deliver. stand by it. and assure your kids that you both love them. and that the issue is btw you and him. not you and the kids. they will respect you for it.

    #30229
    pam-c
    Participant

    Also, I wanted to share something my 6 year old said a couple of weeks ago. After an episode (for the upteenth time) of H behaving very badly toward me, she said

    “mommy? what happens to someone in a family when they keep doing bad things over and over? do they go to court? is that when you move?”

    I said what kind of bad things do you mean?

    “thowing things, yelling , calling bad names.”
    I said, well, yes the adults go to court. If they do something really bad, they can go to jail. but most cases you go to family court and decide who is going to live where.”

    she said “ok mommy’

    kids know who the players are, and the bad guys are, most of the time. and if they see no consequences, we delivery such a bad message to them. never mind us. but to them as well.

    To all the meanies in house– say HOLLA!!! and delivery those tough consequences. YOur H won’t die. He might even get well.

    #30230
    cynge
    Participant

    Thanks ladies! Since I’ve been lurking for a bit, I figured I’d get some good advice, and you ladies didn’t let me down! Thank you!

    I have 3 littles. A 6 year old boy, a 4 year old, and a 1 year old girl. They are dealing better now that I’ve calmed down and been able to actually talk to them (especially the 6 year old)

    It’s been 2 weeks. 2 weeks tonight actually, since I kicked him out. I’ve done a lot of writing, a lot of talking to friends and it’s helped a lot. I’m clearer and more focused now. And I’m working on me, and letting him work on his recovery. The last time I micromanaged, thinking I was helping him out, helping him succeed. Now, I know I wasn’t. So that’s his job.

    I don’t have my own permanant therapist yet. Being on my own, kind of tethers me to the house (and we don’t have any family that lives nearby to be able to take the littles) But, I will. I have things I need to work on, and since I can only control myself. That’s what I’m going to do.

    Thanks again ladies! I pray for all of you and I look forward to getting to know you all better (although the reason behind it could be different 🙂

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