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August 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm #48898
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MemberI`m sorry Victoria…I don`t know what to say. I`m not sure what I would do. I`ll be thinking of you and saying a prayer..
August 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm #48899nap
ParticipantMe too Victoria, I’d be uneasy about this too. Has he ever been hospitalized for a suicide attempt?
September 2, 2012 at 5:44 pm #48900victoria-l
MemberThanks Bev and NAP.
Here’s an update. I have had an intensely stressful week.
He was planning to hang himself with a bedsheet and had looked through the bathroom roof in the manhole for a water pipe, as well as the wardrobe rail to see if it would support his weight. He did not know I knew this.
The other day I found out he specifically went to a store and bought bed sheets and a belt. My heart was beating out of my chest when I discovered this. He made several excuses to me that his sheets had turned yellow (but he has dark navy sheets) and that his sheets look too childish etc, that he needs a spare set. Obviously, with me knowing of the plan, I immediately asked him to go straight to hospital. He refused. Insisted he had no plan and had never searched for places in the apartment. Swears he’s perfectly fine, actually happy – which is a warning sign for someone with a suicide plan. He was different, I can’t explain it – but knowing that he was lying to me about so much and indeed had these plans in his head, I was literally shaking scared, inside my gut I knew this was for real.
I slowly ended up getting it gently out of him, he tells me about the idea of hanging himself, but insisted he had never made ANY plans or preparations though, that he was being 100% honest, that’s he feeling really good and not depressed AT ALL. That it’s just a coincidence he bought those things. Then I’m able to get it out of him about the wardrobe, then eventually going up into the bathroom manhole, and finally he mentions about the plan was using bed sheets. He said he was ashamed. That he likes people to think he’s ok, even though he’s not. He didn’t tell the psych nurse either – they would have admitted him if he had been honest. Then as I was talking to him, his mother calls him.
The hospital crisis assessment team had been trying to contact him – but it seems he gave them the wrong number – so they called his mother instead because her number was on file from the first time he was there last year. She had NO reaction, absolutely nothing but that it’s so nice of the hospital to bother to call – ugh WTF, right. So you find out again that your son is suicidal again and so rather than be concerned for him, just focus on how nice and lovely the hospital protocol is. It’s the fucking CAT team, it’s their normal duty to try locate/follow up the suicidal patient. And she’s apparently more interested about “How’s the relationship? Making any headway? Has Victoria ‘come around’ yet?”
He finally calls up the psychiatrist to make an appointment and faxes his referral – a professor that specializes in addiction/depression. They have to call him back though to make a time because the psych is super busy.
Then he calls up the hospital CAT team who had been trying to get in contact with him for days. Tells me he was honest with them and filled them in about his plan – which is important for them to know as the risk obviously goes dramatically up as they move from 1) suicide ideation to 2) planning the suicide, to 3) collecting the necessary equipment, and then finally 4) trying to commit suicide.
But he lied to me, and didn’t actually inform them.
His mother works at the basketball stadium. He went there that night to play the final game with his team, then spoke to her after the game. He told her about ideas of jumping off the balcony and hanging himself, but not specifying that he was actually looking for a place to do it. She says it’s great he’s feeling better now. Nothing to worry about here! Then praises him for taking the initiative to go the hospital himself, that he seems and sounds fine. This woman does not react or care – other than to sweep things away or make everything seem “fine”. She UNDER reacts to everything. Even if he had a suicide vest strapped on, she’d say it’s all OK, he’s fine!
I sat and contemplated, should I contact her myself? Should I not? Will it make only make things worse? Will it help? I had essentially cut off all contact with his parents for many months because of the hell storm they had put me through. However, I decided that I should in order to cover myself, so she can’t ever say I didn’t tell her about his situation. So I politely text her a long detailed message about what’s happened, that I made him go to the hospital last week, that he didn’t want to. That he was preparing for ways to kill himself. Not just depressed thoughts, actual planning/preparing. Explained that he has told me he prefers for people not to worry about him, that’s why he pretends to everyone he’s feeling OK, especially to family. Tried to get across the point that she needs to be concerned. She simply replies back “Don’t worry. He’s told me everything”.
I have just needed them to take it seriously. I just want someone else from his life to give a shit – because I cannot carry all this on my own. I have felt even more that I’m in the twilight zone because no one takes it seriously from his side. The mother also keeps it hidden from his siblings – a nurse and a psychology grad – doesn’t want to “upset” them.
I have had so much anxiety and have been up several nights feeling sick with worry and high stress. My mother and sisters have also been worried about him. Regardless of what’s happened, I have not wanted to him to suicide. Our story, albeit awful, I do not want to end in this way. I am the only one with the extra keys to the apartment. I do not want to find his body. I have been traumatized enough by him. I couldn’t sleep the other night because all I could see was images of him hanging.
I spoke to my therapist. I ended up calling the hospital CAT team myself to update them about the truth – everything that he never divulged to them, plus I vented about his parents to them too. It felt so good talking to them. Such a relief. They’re in charge now. It feels not all on my shoulders anymore. They called him to ask if he’d be interested in having a home visit every few days from the team until he can meet with the psychiatrist, a common alternative to hospitalization, but he said no.
I’ve been trying to do things for me to reduce my stress levels, painting my nails and giving myself a manicure, going to the supermarket, buying shoes, having coffee at a cafe — might look bizarre, my SA on the brink of killing himself, yet I’m doing these things – but my therapist spent a lot of time with me this week helping me understand that it’s OK to take time out even in crisis mode, it’s important to be centred, even if it means spending 2 minutes with my feet on the ground and focusing on my breathing. That looking after my physical health from the chronic high stress I’ve been under is so important.
September 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm #48901teri
ParticipantOMG, Victoria. I am overwhelmed with what you are going through? Can he go stay at his mom’s for awhile to give you a break? I just want to get you out of that mess!
September 2, 2012 at 7:38 pm #48902lisak
Participantvictoria,
is it possible he is banking on your reaction? yes, is there somewhere else he could stay for a while? what if you had to completely let go, and he had to completely look after yourself for a while?
i feel completely out of my league here to offer any solutions. i understand how stressed out and worried you must be.
in my situation with my sah, in month 4 after d day, i was making all kinds of arrangements to protect my sah from himself when i went on a trip (had his parents come stay with him). well guess what, as soon as he was alone, he did weird shit. first chance.
a month later, i was so fed up with the violation of my boundaries and i kicked him out. i didn’t care what he did. it was up to him. he was jeopardizing my health. he’d have to look after himself.
guess what? i (think) he did. and when i let him back in the house, he FINALLY understood i meant business about my boundaries. i.e. he COULD NOT stay in the house if he violated them. he may still be fucked up, but at least it isn’t so blatant that i have a fucking crisis every week.
now this has nothing to do with me leaving or staying, simply having a home that i can be sane in for the next while.
the most important thing i learned, is that it was better for me to let go and let him take care of himself. he didn’t understand my words (that hurts me), he only understands my actions (get out).
do you think letting go of the responsibility of him might help your health?
if he kills himself, it is NOT your fault. you can’t stop him if he wants to.
please, just don’t let him kill you.
love
September 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm #48903972
MemberVictoria, I have no clue what to say. This is just horrible. Maybe his siblings need to be told. I told you that my mother is the suicide quenn. We have all learned to remain calm..we had NO choice. My family has done everything humanly possible to help her. The “guilt” of suicide is too much to bear. Try to find one sane person to be in your corner and help….
September 3, 2012 at 4:05 am #48904silver-lining
ParticipantI agree with Bev! Tell the siblings yourself. The Mom is obviously off her rocker! At least the siblings have credentials (education) that could help. My first thought when you talked about the siblings was- tell THEM! Then, eventually I read Bev’s post.
Your story is simply devastating and getting worse. I am thinking of you and hoping to help in any capacity!
Lots of love, (keep posting!!)
SL
September 3, 2012 at 1:01 pm #48905march
ParticipantVictoria, it sounds like you’ve done all the right things, as far as doing your part to ensure his safety. But Lisa is right–you cannot save him if he’s bent on his own destruction, unless you have some super-powers we don’t know about…And that’s not me trying to be funny; that’s the truth. You are only human. You can pay close attention, which you have; you can call the authorities/experts, which you’ve done; you can enlist the aid of his family…BUT, you cannot control how this story ends, because he’s the author of his own story. The other day, in a counselors’ process group where I work, one of the counselors reminded us of this: She put a wadded-up tissue in the palm of another counselor sitting next to her, then instructed the counselor to “let it go.” The other counselor turned her hand so that the tissue dropped to the floor when she loosened her grasp. It took a second, but then we all “got it”–that there was an alternative. The first counselor then took another tissue and confirmed our realization: She held her tissue tightly in a fist, turned palm up, and opened her hand…
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