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March 8, 2011 at 2:45 pm #3012napParticipant
Hi all,
Do you think, even in recovery, a SA can provide true intimacy to their partner/spouse? A part of SA is an intimacy disorder. What are your thoughts and experiences?March 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm #10951AnonymousInactiveHi NAP -My experience was Steve could provide intimacy intermittently, and when he did it was wonderful – I think that is one of the things that kept me hooked. Once his addiction kicked in, which was cyclic, he would not be able to sustain it – then everything was purely sexual.
I think in order for intimacy to be a consistent thing with the SA they have to be able to be way down the road in recovery, and at the point where they are managing they’re addiction. Then, of course they would have to resolve the underlying personality disorder that got them there in the first place.
Bottom line – I think it would take years, if ever. JoAnn would be better at answering that question than I am, because she has experienced years of recovery with Larry.
Input, JoAnn?March 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm #10952marieParticipantHi NAP,
15 months into recovery, I feel that if my husband and I don’t make it as a couple, it won’t be because of the sex addiction. It will be because of the intimacy disorder that virtually all sex addicts have. I personally do not believe that an addict not in recovery or in early recovery is capable of any real intimacy. Anything that seems like intimacy is pretend/fake. Real intimacy isn’t intermittent, it’s safe and consistent. My husband is making progress with this and as long as he continues to make progress, I am willing to work with him. The question is where his maximum ability for intimacy ends up and whether that will be a level that we are both happy with. I read an interesting article about intimacy, posted here below my name. I found it because I was frustrated about trying to explain to my very intellectual husband what intimacy is…..so many people think it refers only to a sexual connection or an emotional connection related to sex….and I found this comforting in that it reassures me that these other things are all a part of what we need and deserve, too, in terms of intimacy.Marie
Couples often believe that intimacy is synonymous with sexual closeness. However, although intimacy may include physical exchanges, this is not its sole medium. In fact, couples need a variety of types of intimacy, which include: intellectual intimacy, social intimacy, emotional intimacy, spiritual intimacy, and non-sexual physical intimacy.
Intellectual intimacy is the first basic building block of all close relationships. This is the kind of connection we feel as a result of exchanging ideas. Productive conversations about educational, business, religious, political, relational or other ideas can foster understanding and respect between individuals. Many kinds of relationships share intellectual intimacy. Healthy couples consistently engage in intellectual intimacy through daily conversations.
Close relationships also need social intimacy. Social intimacy is when individuals engage in public activities together, while continuing in the exchange of ideas. Movies, concerts, sporting events, parties, and dining out are all examples of social intimacy. Social intimacy builds on intellectual intimacy as it provides shared, connecting experiences while simultaneously fueling intellectual conversation. For couples, this form of intimacy is often addressed by going on dates, but can also include other general social or family activities.
When both intellectual intimacy and social intimacy are strong, emotional intimacy follows. Beyond the exchange of ideas, emotional intimacy allows for the exchange of feeling. Discussions surrounding joy, frustrations, anger, excitement, or disappointment may provide connection that deepens relationships. Although couples may often express feelings, intimacy develops only as these feelings are heard and understood. This kind of intimacy is often where couples get stuck, as many emotions can be painful to address.
Similar to emotional intimacy is spiritual intimacy. While shared religious experiences may be included here, they are not all-inclusive. Spiritual intimacy is mutual connection over moments of beauty, peace, or connectedness with a higher power. These are often some of our innermost and sacred thoughts, which consequently, we value and protect. Those who are privy to our spiritual side are bonded with us in a way that begets safety. These are often the feelings that we share only with the best of friends, family members, or partners.
Physical intimacy builds upon these experiences, and includes non-sexual physical intimacy such as embraces, kisses, and hand-holding. Physical intimacy is distinguished between physical affection in that physical intimacy is relationship-affirming while non-intimate affection is typically self-serving. Physical affection, when genuinely intimate, begets a feeling of mutual connection and safety. Very close friends often receive hugs, while kisses and hand-holding are generally expressed between family members and couples. At the crux of intimacy is sexual connection, which is reserved for romantic partners.
With so many ways to be intimate, couples have many areas to look to for improvement. Though sexual intimacy is perhaps most frequently addressed, further examination often yields a lack of intimacy in other areas. Building up intimacy from the foundation – intellectual, to social, to emotional and so on – will often correct difficulty in higher forms of intimacy. As each type of intimacy is integral to couple success, taking the time to strengthen couple intimacy often results in increased happiness and marital satisfaction.March 8, 2011 at 8:18 pm #10953ms-lindyParticipantHi Marie,
That is an excellent article, thanks for sharing.March 8, 2011 at 8:27 pm #10954AnonymousInactiveHi Marie – A very good article on intimacy. To have a functional relationship, there are three pieces of the puzzle that have to be there for it to succeed. Friendship, emotional and sexual. If just one of those things are out of balance, a relationship/marriage cannot survive.
March 9, 2011 at 9:35 am #10955lyloParticipantAppreciate the concise break down of the types of intimacy that make up a satisfying relationship. A template of sorts to use for evaluation. Thanks Marie
March 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm #10956deboraParticipantHi NAP, That is the biggest problem in our marraige. It is the underlying issue for his other addictions. even if my husband didn’t look at porn and self sex, he cannot connect with me. We are good at friends and partners but no soul connection.
Excellent article, Marie. I’m printing and going over it with my husband.
I found a video lecture on http://www.drdougweiss.com about Intimacy Anorexia. It explains this connection disorder very well. I also watched the Married and Alone video which describes the life of the spouse of someone with and intimacy disorder.
March 10, 2011 at 3:56 pm #10957napParticipantHi all,
Thanks so much for sharing about intimacy. Even though Im not alone, at times, I feel intense lonliness…sometimes he provides it and then sometimes he doesnt. Marie, great article and information to share with us all. Really helpful and informative. Debora, I also had intimacy anorexia form almost day 1 of my marriage. thanks for sharing the lecture video. Its sad to think all the years I laid there yearing for his affection, and he was having sex with random strangers and prostitues…makes me ill if I let myself think about it too long. 🙁March 10, 2011 at 4:24 pm #10958ms-lindyParticipantHi NAP,
You said it…laying there yearning for his affection. Mine too sometimes provided it, but very rarely. I seems the only time we really connect at any intimacy level is when he’s acted out and I’m raging. And, then, it’s all about his intimacy with someone else. You know?March 11, 2011 at 3:16 am #10959hurtheartParticipantHi NAP..from my personal experience the SA is incapable of showing any intimacy at all, whether it is in the bedroom or not. My SA is like a dead man walking; he shares absolutely nothing with me, and I feel as if I am married to a stranger whom I cannot confide in, count on, cry to, etc. I can’t even share any feelings of joy with him. He’s just a blank stare that sometimes gives me a cold pat on the shoulder or says an offhand remark that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. On a list of people to turn to when I need intimacy, my SA is dead last on the list.
October 8, 2012 at 12:47 am #10960artemisMemberi came across this article on forms of intimacy and loved it so giving it a bump for others. thanks to Marie for posting it.
October 8, 2012 at 1:18 am #10961daisy1962MemberThanks Artemis ~ very helpful and informative.
October 8, 2012 at 2:15 am #10962lizaParticipantThanks Artemis and, of course, NAP. Such an important topic, and it was nice to see the names of some Sisters that have been MIA for awhile.
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