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April 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm #3150zumbagirlMember
Hi sisters!
So I’ve been on this site for a few weeks now, learning, absorbing, and getting so much support. I’ve put bits and pieces of my story in posts here and there, but I feel ready to put it all out there. Don’t know why I procrastinated…I suppose just seeing it in black and white makes it that much more real.
I guess, knowing what I know now, my story starts back in my husband’s childhood. He was the “late in life” baby of an agoraphobic mother and an alchoholic father. Neither parent admitted to or sought help for their problems, and pretty much enabled each other, from the sounds of it. My SADH was alone a lot, and had to learn to manage a lot on his own. It sounds like one of the tools he used to manage stress was masturbation. He tells me he’s been doing it on a daily basis for as long as he can remember.
So we jump ahead to the story of our marriage, which was in 1991. Throughout our marriage, I suppose there could have been many “mini” d-days, as there were times, esp. late at night on a weekend, where I had caught my husband masturbating to porn (while watching tv in our living room). At the time, this was mortifying–in the early days, I didn’t say anything. I didn’t realize it was abnormal, based on all of the guy talk I had heard. I also felt a bit embarrassed and rejected by it, but didn’t know if I had a right to feel that way, if that makes any sense? In the back of my head, it made me depressed and uncomfortable, but since we still somewhat had a sex life, I didn’t know why. I let myself be fooled into thinking “that’s how guys are.”
Well, we went through the distractions and business of raising 2 kids, who are now wonderful teenagers. Over the past several years, I have felt increasingly separated and disonnnected from my SA–also emotionally abandoned. I still couldn’t put a finger on it–was it a “me” problem” A “him” problem? An “us” problem?
This disconnection was enough for me to start snooping around. I didn’t like doing that–it felt ugly–but I did it anyways. What I found in June of 2009 rocked me to my core–video on our HOME computer of my husband with prostitutes. Ugh, I’m shaking as I type this–weird how it just brings me right back to the feeling. I also shake at the thought of having 2 kids in the house with that on the computer. The files were in a secure locked folder, which I was able to hack into because my SA used a password that he has used for other things. Still, it would be naive to think that it would be impossible for the kids to come across it someday.
Well, at that point, I was hyperventilating and sobbing and I called my husband. He came right home from work, offered to leave, do whatever I wish. I asked him if he wanted to save our marriage. At the time I had no real concept of sex addiction…thought it was “just” infidelity, and that marriage and/or individual counseling was the way to go. My husband said he would do whatever it took.
We found a marriage counselor who diagnosed the addiction. She referred my husband to an addiction therapist, and I stayed with her for therapy. It wasn’t the most successful therapy for me…she was hard to open up to, and her specialty was couples counseling.
Meanwhile, my SA hubby continued to go to his therapist. We actually became emotionally closer quickly, and even resumed physically intimacy within the first month. This was at my doing more than anything else. Looking back now, I feel mortified. However, I read something JoAnn wrote that it is not unusual—it’s a way of “reclaiming your territory.” Made me feel better that I am not the only one who has been down that road.
Eventually, my husband’s therapist wanted me to come in, as my husband had talked about “my anxiety” and how it triggered him because his mother had anxiety. The therapist wanted to see how we communicated and basically do “couples therapy.” It was “ok”, although I think in the future, ongoing serious couples therapy should be with a new, neutral therapist.
So jump ahead to the past year…I felt SA was somewhat returning to his previous intolerant/less patient personality. We were working at our relationship with planned date nights and time together. Still, sex was infrequent, and it didn’t feel right to me–I just felt like I was “there”–my SA didn’t really feel present to me. But then your head plays games–I didn’t know if I was just being overly-sensitive.
I should also point out that once in the past year, I caught SA looking at porn, and another time, he appeared to be browsing an escort site on the computer, but he clicked out of it quickly. Being in major denial, I believed him when he said it “was only that one time” and that he would contact his therapist. I felt uneasy about this, but let myself live in denial. I also blame myself for not educating myself more. My first therapist, after making the diagnosis, told me NOT to look at anything about sex addiction on the internet. Maybe she didn’t mean it literally?? Or she should have been more specific? But she didn’t give me any resources, and then said don’t use the internet as a resource. Maybe I was too afraid to find out more, and took what she said at face value and put my blinders on. Who knows…
So a few months ago, I found a text on my SA’s phone that said something about meeting him in room 805. I questioned him about it, and he said it was for a meeting (out of town). It made me extremely uncomfortable; just didn’t sound right. He also got VERY defensive about me invading his privacy–something which hadn’t happened in a few years.
So I started snooping again about 5 weeks ago–mid March. I don’t know what possessed me, but I looked for and found a gmail account for him. I really didn’t think/want to think I’d find something and it floored me. The account was full of emails to/from “escorts”, dating back almost as far back as my original d-date in 2009. Through everything, he had NEVER stopped!!
I’m holding it together as I write this, but I can’t explain how devastating that felt, and how the addiction hit me over the head like a truck. The lying and deceit make me cringe and make my stomach crawl. In some ways, the lying to my face is even harder to stomach than the actual physical infidelity.
So again my SA was at work when I found this stuff. All I could do was type out a text telling him I hated him. He tried to call me and I couldn’t even answer. He rushed home…ugh, I didn’t even want him near me. I felt revolted and horrified. However, I got it together, and told him he needed to get REAL help or I was out.
So in the past 5 weeks, he has committed to complete abstinence (which wasn’t even on the plate last time–thought continued masturbation was ok). He is back in therapy, and has found a 12 step SA group. He’s been going to meetings twice a week. He’s also registered with Recovery Nation. He is journaling, and reading/learning about sex addiction. His tone and committment seem true, although I can’t be naive about it. I am certainly aware and terrified that he’s only in recovery because he got caught. But then again, maybe this is his “bottom.” But I am setting clearer boundaries this time around, and have installed eblaster software on computers, both at home and at his work. He is willing to do whatever I feel comfortable with for my safety. I am also mentally preparing myself for a possible future alone, and mapping out the physical steps I would need to take for this to happen. I’m able to write that last sentence without crying right now, so that’s a good baby step. š
Anway, I am grateful to be here, although I wish none of us had to be. All of you ladies have been the biggest source of support, knowledge and inspiration in the past few weeks. Thank you, and love you all. ZGApril 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm #12428dianeParticipantDear ZumbaGirl,
Big big hug coming your way. I just don’t know how you managed to survive those first video clips of your husband having sex with prostitutes. I don’t. I can’t fathom where I would be in that situation.You assessment that he only is in treatment because he got caught is correct. If he is able to move into a motivation that is about his own life, there is hope. But if he is only doing it “for you”, he won’t make it and neither will you. That’s the big set-up for you as the “sheriff”—the addict eventually works at escaping because they feel they’ve “earned” something. He has to grow up and want his own life to be freed of addictive behaviours.
For your own sanity, you need a very real plan B. That will include your own secret bank account in which you start stock-piling money for an emergency evacuation, a lawyer, first months rent–whatever. Don’t put all your eggs in his recovery because we all know you’ll be screwed if you do. If his recovery works out, that’s wonderful. The bank account remains as your personal safety net that will ease your anxiety and allow you to participate in the recovery time. You don’t owe this man any explanation for what you have to do in order to stick around.
And if you wake up one day and say “what the hell am I doing with this man?”, you are good to go.
I know this sounds like hard-hearted woman speech—but I’m not going to whitewash what you have been through. He’s a bastard to do have done that to you. He’s a narcissistic bastard. I am just so sick of us making excuses for these guys and the hell, the absolute hell they put us through, and the idiot therapists who don’t know what the fuck they are dealing with. Be careful with the therapists. They are always looking for some de-focus off the addiction because they can’t get the SA to be a professional success for them. Guess who gets to the de-focus? Suddenly it’s really our problem after all. GRRRRRRRR!
No apologies for straight talk here. ZumbaGirl, you are worth everything, and you believe it’s true!
D.xoxox
April 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm #12429napParticipantDear ZG,
Thank you for sharing your story with us. It takes a lot of courage to do. I’m glad you do not feel all alone and this website is so helpful to us all. It sounds like you are very realistic and doing the right things for yourself which is so important. My husband too was into prostitutes which is an advancement from the porn. If I had to do my situation over I would have insisted my H go to an intensive or away for a while to “dry out” in an in-patient environment. Mine could not ever get into recovery and I think this would have at least give him a good start. I wish you all the best and remember to take good care of yourself! Your friend, NapApril 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm #12430cindy1111ParticipantZumbagirl,
Your story is so well written. Thank you for taking the time to share. I feel all of your words and hear the pain you are in. I am proud of you for being strong and standing up for yourself. We are all here for you.
Continue to put faith in your needs and honor your feelings. You are important, this is really happening, and give yourself permission to do what you need to do for you.
Hugs, Cindy
April 26, 2011 at 9:37 pm #12431ms-lindyParticipantMy dear ZumbaGirl,
I am so saddened, and angry too, to read what has happened to you! Seeing videos of your husband with prostitutes is something just gets seared into your brain, and it is so hard, if not impossible to erase! Please don’t blame yourself for not educating yourself earlier on the addiction. When one first encounters it in someone they love…it’s survival first, then comes the period of time where you can start getting a handle on all of the crap. Everyone’s timeline is different. You will need strength and encouragement, and you’ve come to the right place, that’s for sure. I agree with Diane about plan B, and starting to save some money so if you find yourself breaking free from the hellishness of it all, you will have that cushion. It’s a hard road you’re walking but we’re all here to walk with you.
Luv LindyApril 27, 2011 at 2:27 am #12432AnonymousInactivezumbagirl – Your story is so sad and traumatic. Thank you for sharing. I think Diane’s ideas are right on. Don’t think any of us could have said it better.
Stay strong, and we are all here for you.
Love to youApril 27, 2011 at 2:49 am #12433zumbagirlMemberI don’t have words to express the thanks to you all. When I see you write things about the trauma/sadness, etc, it makes me realize the shock I was really in 2 years ago. I’m not sure I ever really progressed from that stage until the recent d-day. I also appreciate and am ready for the “tough love” and reality checks, such as in Diane’s message. I don’t think I could have handled it a few weeks ago, which is part of the reason I waited to put my story out. That being said, I almost procrastinated to the point of not doing it. I am so glad I did. As you all know, there is nothing more cathartic. Apart from my therapist, you are the only people who know this story. Without this site and all of you, I would surely go nuts. A thousand hugs to all of you–would love to give you real hugs someday. Thanks for the strength. XOXO
April 27, 2011 at 2:51 am #12434zumbagirlMemberAnd ps, Cindy1111, your comment about my story being well-written made me smile! Immediately after I posted it, I thought “Oh crap, that’s not clear at all. I need to redo it.” Maybe you all can relate to the fact that to really write the story, it seems like it would take hundreds of pages. š
April 27, 2011 at 4:06 am #12435silver-liningParticipantDear BFF,
I am so proud of you and thankful that you took the time and courage to lay it all out there, without minimizing or holding back! Just the plain, ugly truth! Big step!!! As you already know, these wise, precious ladies will be there every step of the way! You deserve better and you know you do! It is your decisions and your timetables and your comfort (or not so much) zone! You do what feels right to you but keeping an open mind and heart to the information and other’s opinions and experiences will also help! Hold your head up and be strong! We WILL get thru this, one way or another! XO!!!April 27, 2011 at 2:31 pm #12436floraParticipantHi ZG,
I can feel your frustrations, fear and pain in your story. And it is all valid. I hope you are able to get the help you need. We are all here for you.
HugsApril 27, 2011 at 3:19 pm #12437zumbagirlMemberThank you, SL and flora! You all are the best. How amazing to put out my story without getting judgement back. Hugs back!
October 29, 2011 at 9:21 pm #12438warriormomParticipantwhen i read things like this i really feel like there is no hope. i am so sorry you have been through all of this. i know that i can not stick it out as long as you did, nor do i want to. i hope i don’t keep finding out more and more about my husband, but i am afraid i am going to and i am in search of full disclosure. can’t wait. š
October 30, 2011 at 12:32 am #12439zumbagirlMemberHi WarriorMom,
Thank you for your kinds words.I am so sorry for what you are going through as well, as I just read your story. Sometimes I can’t believe I’ve stuck it out this long either. I know after the first d-day, I had such false hope, and was in extreme shock and denial. Ugh. Now I’m sticking it out for the moment, while trying to plan carefully. One day I know exactly what I’m going to do, other days I’m lost. It’s crazy, and it must seem like I’m crazy. Somedays I’m full of hope for a life ahead; other days I feel like I’m just trying to choose the lesser of two evils. I have 2 teenagers, and it’s not a straightforward/black and white decision to do “what is best for them.” At least for me it doesn’t seem that way. There are pros and cons for me with staying/going/or even staying for awhile and then going. Anyway, keep reading and posting on SOS. I would be so lost at this point if I hadn’t found these ladies. I wish I had SOS at the time of my first d-day. I might be a bit farther ahead in the game. All in due time, I guess.Much love to you. You will figure it out, one day at a time!!
Hugs,
JulieNovember 2, 2011 at 10:50 pm #12440silver-liningParticipantWow…. The early days! š
How far we have come…..November 3, 2011 at 12:38 am #12441ksondyParticipantI am not as fluent with words as so many here are. And giving comfort is not something Iām well practiced at. Maybe Iāll learn from everyone here. I cannot imagine how you are feeling. My imagination runs wild without actual images and videos. Like you, I knew about the masturbation and just assumed it was a guy thing. Or a sexual release if we werenāt having sex as often. Itās only now that I know it has been a daily thing for him since early teens. He said he may have missed a day or two but had plenty of days where it was twice to make up for it. And that is where it all begins. I truly believe that masturbation without fantasy is impossible. The fantasies turn to reality and it all keeps spiraling downwards from there. I donāt think any of these guys will ever make any progress unless they stay in reality at all times.
In the past heās had me second guessing myself; has made me feel like I have unrealistic expectations and like this is MY problem, not his. But the escalation of behavior tells me that is all BS. Itās ājust masturbationā turns into itās ājustā pornā¦ itās ājustā chattingā¦ and there is no end to the list.
As someone said to me in another post, he definitely doesnāt deserve you.
February 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm #12442debincaParticipantZumba – just read your story. Is your husband still in recovery? Do you feel safe? Still in the marriage?
February 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm #12443silver-liningParticipantOh how I wish I could answer for her! š But for ONCE, I will butt out!
February 16, 2012 at 7:27 pm #12444zumbagirlMemberDebinca,
Wow, I have so many thoughts that your questions bring to mind. I could answer your question with a book (if I bored you with the process it’s taken me to get here, lol!). The simple answer is that I’m still in the marriage right now. But I now know that it’s until I can get organized and feel secure enough to divorce. I just went back to work part time this year, after being a stay-at-home mom for the past 7 years. My job is definitely not enough to make a financial difference, but I wanted to get my foot in the door at a local school district. I also have 2 teenagers at home, and I’ve been doing a lot of soul-searching about the best time for divorce.Do I feel safe? No. And that’s the conclusion I’ve come to. I never will. I tried to fool myself into thinking that if he really worked hard at recovery, everything would be ok. I REALLY wanted to hold onto that dream. But what I’ve realized is that he could get the Recovery Gold Star, and I still wouldn’t feel safe. On top of that, I just don’t think I can forgive what he did–esp. a second big D-day when he saw what the first one did to me. Not to mention that the video images are ingrained in my head for always. After the first d-day, I shoved them far away, but they resurfaced with a vengeance after d-day 2. And now they are here to stay. I can’t imagine ever having sex with my husband again.
As far as recovery, there was a time where I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was going to SA meetings but stopped because “they didn’t do much for him.” He switched to using Candeo, which is an online paid program with coaching. He sees a therapist a BIG once a month. And he’s not even a CSAT, which we don’t have around here. He deals with addictions, but I don’t think he’s had much SA experience.
On top of that, he has a job where he makes his own hours– can come and go from an office at his own discretion. He also has computers at work that I can’t monitor. So my faith is based on a wing and a prayer?? I just can’t do it. I also think my h just wants it to “go away”. He’s often said “I just want to put this behind us.” Well, join the crowd, asshole. That would be nice, wouldn’t it?
Now mind you, this has all come to me very slowly. It’s taken time. And I just can’t stomach polygraphs, contracts, consequences, etc. I feel I put work into my marriage. I didn’t sign up to be a parole officer.
So that’s where I’m at now. Not to say that I haven’t waffled, and that I won’t waffle again.
Good luck with your journey. Everyone is different. And there ARE some guys out there who are really willing to do the work.
Love always, zg/JulieFebruary 16, 2012 at 7:27 pm #12445zumbagirlMemberDebinca,
Wow, I have so many thoughts that your questions bring to mind. I could answer your question with a book (if I bored you with the process it’s taken me to get here, lol!). The simple answer is that I’m still in the marriage right now. But I now know that it’s until I can get organized and feel secure enough to divorce. I just went back to work part time this year, after being a stay-at-home mom for the past 7 years. My job is definitely not enough to make a financial difference, but I wanted to get my foot in the door at a local school district. I also have 2 teenagers at home, and I’ve been doing a lot of soul-searching about the best time for divorce.Do I feel safe? No. And that’s the conclusion I’ve come to. I never will. I tried to fool myself into thinking that if he really worked hard at recovery, everything would be ok. I REALLY wanted to hold onto that dream. But what I’ve realized is that he could get the Recovery Gold Star, and I still wouldn’t feel safe. On top of that, I just don’t think I can forgive what he did–esp. a second big D-day when he saw what the first one did to me. Not to mention that the video images are ingrained in my head for always. After the first d-day, I shoved them far away, but they resurfaced with a vengeance after d-day 2. And now they are here to stay. I can’t imagine ever having sex with my husband again.
As far as recovery, there was a time where I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was going to SA meetings but stopped because “they didn’t do much for him.” He switched to using Candeo, which is an online paid program with coaching. He sees a therapist a BIG once a month. And he’s not even a CSAT, which we don’t have around here. He deals with addictions, but I don’t think he’s had much SA experience.
On top of that, SA has a job where he makes his own hours– can come and go from an office at his own discretion. He also has computers at work that I can’t monitor. So my faith is based on a wing and a prayer?? I just can’t do it. I also think my h just wants it to “go away”. He’s often said “I just want to put this behind us.” Well, join the crowd, asshole. That would be nice, wouldn’t it?
Now mind you, this has all come to me very slowly. It’s taken time. And I just can’t stomach polygraphs, contracts, consequences, etc. I feel I put work into my marriage. I didn’t sign up to be a parole officer.
So that’s where I’m at now. Not to say that I haven’t waffled, and that I won’t waffle again.
Good luck with your journey. Everyone is different. And there ARE some guys out there who are really willing to do the work.
Love always, zg/JulieFebruary 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm #12446silver-liningParticipantWow! I’m so proud of you, Z girl!! Self love and self respect! I LOVE it!! XOXO!!
February 16, 2012 at 9:01 pm #12447zumbagirlMemberThanks, SL! I was hoping you’d put in your 2 cents! You can put in more cents too! š
Love ya!
February 28, 2012 at 9:57 pm #12448debincaParticipantZG – just saw your response (and re-read your story again). It’s amazing that you have come to the conclusion that you can’t feel safe. I think that’s what most of us are grappling with. Will we ever feel safe? I love you analogy – that you didn’t sign up to be a parole officer.
I’m sadly in the same boat as you. My SAH isn’t willing to do the work – and wants to just “put it all behind him”. Wish it was that easy, huh? What’s worse that having a SA husband? An SAH in denial. Shame, denial and arrogance get in the way of recovery.
How do you interact in the house together? Do you think he has any inkling of your intentions to bail? I’m curious because I really don’t know how to interact with my SAH. Like a roommate, like a friend, like a co-parent? Sometime I feel like I want his support and love, and then I realize that he’s like a snake in the grass….
Would be curious how you interact and stay safe.
Deb
February 28, 2012 at 10:15 pm #12449bonniebParticipantI have the same question as Deb. What does daily life look like and how do you avoid getting sucked in?
July 29, 2013 at 3:43 pm #12450lizaParticipantBumping this up for the new Sisters.
July 29, 2013 at 4:11 pm #12451jennyMemberLiza: Thanks for “bumping” this. I’m so very sorry Zumba. And I’m sure I’m not alone; I was reading your post like it was my story…It’s everyone’s story. So unreal, this life.
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